5/17/24 Bronx 2nd Alarm Box 2617

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Yeah cause if you’re not operating over 30mins then no relocator. What needs to happen maybe for sure if a 3rd due engine can’t be sent or a further engine.

Other Departments like Denver has 2 person crews doing low priority EMS calls so engines are not going to them and more available. Bronx is probably the must impacted Boro with EMS calls (every company is doing over 5,000 runs besides 3 engines.
 
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Skyler Fire said:
Yeah cause if you’re not operating over 30mins then no relocator. What needs to happen maybe for sure if a 3rd due engine can’t be sent or a further engine.

Other Departments like Denver has 2 person crews doing low priority EMS calls so engines are not going to them and more available. Bronx is probably the must impacted Boro with EMS calls (every company is doing over 5,000 runs besides 3 engines.
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That Denver configuration does not compute, you're still loosing two members from the engine, now you have an ineffective engine... The big red machine requires at least 4 members to be an effective firefighting "unit". Perhaps the city should reevaluate and hire more ems people during the day tours, say like a Tactical Control Unit!
 
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JohnnyGage said:
That Denver configuration does not compute, you're still loosing two members from the engine, now you have an ineffective engine... The big red machine requires at least 4 members to be an effective firefighting "unit". Perhaps the city should reevaluate and hire more ems people during the day tours, say like a Tactical Control Unit!
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2 members are on OT
 
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Capttomo said:
Maybe time for the programming wizards to work their magic in the CAD algorithms and software so that no area has such a drawdown on Engines for CFR runs in a given area.
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It is programmed to do just that....but 89/94 was on an Arrest which gets a response no matter and 96 and 64 were on other EMS runs that came in a few minutes before fire....The CFR threshold is determined by Battalion Groupings....ie 2/5 or 3/6 engines avail for EMS......The Engines on EMS runs were in BC03 and BC20 so while they are adjacent the CAD sees it as separate battalions.....Nobody was 10-99 to generate a relocation.....
 
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dan said:
It is programmed to do just that....but 89/94 was on an Arrest which gets a response no matter and 96 and 64 were on other EMS runs that came in a few minutes before fire....The CFR threshold is determined by Battalion Groupings....ie 2/5 or 3/6 engines avail for EMS......The Engines on EMS runs were in BC03 and BC20 so while they are adjacent the CAD sees it as separate battalions.....Nobody was 10-99 to generate a relocation.....
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Good info but could you please translate for us dummies?
 
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3511 said:
Good info but could you please translate for us dummies?
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It is busy....the local units are not always available and units have to come from further.....we could have 50 more fire units and 100 more ambulances and it still would be busy and at times we do not have enough
 
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JohnnyGage said:
That Denver configuration does not compute, you're still loosing two members from the engine, now you have an ineffective engine... The big red machine requires at least 4 members to be an effective firefighting "unit". Perhaps the city should reevaluate and hire more ems people during the day tours, say like a Tactical Control Unit!
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Interestingly enough, up until recently the Bronx a unit similar to a Tactical Control Unit. It was the Bronx Tactical Response Group and turned out of Station 18 on Washington Avenue next door to Rescue 3.

If I recall correctly it was a total of 10 BLS Ambulances turning out at times based on historical call volume increases. 5 would turn out at 09:00 and 5 at 13:00 to be sent as a group to wherever the work load was greatest in the Borough. Sort of like a clean up crew for areas saturated with unaddressed work. They had their own supervision as well. Don’t know if it would have helped in this situation because more information is needed to see exactly what everyone was doing at the time but the concept is not new to both Fire (TCU) and EMS (TRG). The BXTRG for reasons unknown to me was recently dispanded.
 
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dan said:
It is programmed to do just that....but 89/94 was on an Arrest which gets a response no matter and 96 and 64 were on other EMS runs that came in a few minutes before fire....The CFR threshold is determined by Battalion Groupings....ie 2/5 or 3/6 engines avail for EMS......The Engines on EMS runs were in BC03 and BC20 so while they are adjacent the CAD sees it as separate battalions.....Nobody was 10-99 to generate a relocation.....
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Thanks Dan for the further insight and additional info. Stay safe brother
 
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Many of the points raised in above thread are valid and TRUE. Take a look at these graphs and spreadsheets I created based on the 2023 Runs and Workers data shared by Frank Raffa.

6 of the top 10 busiest engines in the city are in the Bronx, 10 of the top 20 busiest engines in the city are in the Bronx. These companies are also seeing more fire activity than majority in the city. Yet, look at the percentage of their runs as CFR runs. E075 and E096 are running 56% and 57% (respectively) of their total runs as CFR runs.

The map shows the locations of the top 20 busiest companies interns of total runs. Red circles are top 10 and orange circles are 11 thru 20 companies. Credit to Citywide 126 (site member) for creating the base map of FDNY unit locations in google my maps.

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