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Engine 69 was on 233 Street in Woodlawn at this time (Ladder 39 old quarters).

With the amount of money to be spent on new fire houses they should each have at least 3 bays not counting the chief. It is ridiculous to have special units parked in the street subject to the weather and possible vandalism.

On one of my visits to L.A. I was told that one of the reasons they are all tillers was that if they switched to rear mounts the bean counters would use that as an excuse to cut the manning. As if the tillerman just helps drive the rig and does nothing else.

Many departments call the aerial "the main".

There are other "great" and busy fire depts. that are in a lot worse shape with their fleet. We are lucky that there is an ongoing replacement program for the rigs.

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I would bet there is a lot more to this story than what has been reported. Any Detroit members on this site that could elaborate?

Channel 7 (ABC TV) has a retired NYPD Chief of Detectives explaining the situation ??? Maybe they should have a retired FDNY SOC officer instead.

I was told by a retired chief that after the fire a lot of guys left the job. It really affected the members that were there, no counseling, debriefing, etc.

This is just the start of the budget cuts unfortunately. There will probably more of a decrease in the manning since it is the least visable to the public unlike closing firehouses and eliminating companies.

The average Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public are not interested in the manning level. They may only get upset if the city threatens to close their local firehouse.

There were two high ladders, one at Ladder 13 and the other one at Ladder 24.

Those old Macks didn't have half of what is on a rig today. Standard transmission, no power steering, no electronics (except the radio), no diesel emissions controls, manual pump panel, etc. And has been mentioned the quality no matter who builds the rig is not what it used to be.

Seagrave a lemon? How can that be, it's not a Ferrara!

Where was 290 going to be organized in Queens?

Who's Joe Higgins?

Years ago it was a big no no to send a relocator to the fire unless there were some unusual circumstances. Especially in the Bronx there always seem to be at least one other job at the same time hence the necessity of having relocators in place.

What was the address?

Starting in the 60's NY would tout the fact that they had much fewer fire deaths than other large cities. Of course they never mentioned the 24 hour rule when the other cities didn't have the same time limit.

Shouldn't this be under FDNY 5-5-5-5 not "out of area"?