4/10/26 Queens 5th Alarm Box 4553

With so many Special Calls above the Fifth Alarm. How many alarms would this have been prior to the alarms stopping at the fifth.?
 
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tperez102 said:
Yes I will say it!! Super Pumper on the road? They can draft from Flushing Bay or Mill Creek? Again just asking.
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Stop already! Plenty of hydrants, plenty of tower ladders , all engines are now 2000gpm and inceasingly more frequent use of the Sattelites as above ground water mains with manifold. The Industrial High volume foam apparatus will be put to use when one of the fuel storage tanks ignites at LGA, JFK, 138th st in Bronx, SW Staten Island, or up by the Gowanus or on of the fuel pipelines is breached.
 
Another issue using the (knockoff) Super Pumper is the danger posed in & around the Fire bldg by flying bricks / objects propelled by the heavy Stream.... not just a question of "point & shoot".
 
Capttomo said:
Stop already! Plenty of hydrants, plenty of tower ladders , all engines are now 2000gpm and inceasingly more frequent use of the Sattelites as above ground water mains with manifold. The Industrial High volume foam apparatus will be put to use when one of the fuel storage tanks ignites at LGA, JFK, 138th st in Bronx, SW Staten Island, or up by the Gowanus or on of the fuel pipelines is breached.
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Got it Captt. Will be nice museum piece one Day. If as stated all over this thread all the high volume pumpers available, Why order this thing? A just in case apparatus.
 
tperez102 said:
Got it Captt. Will be nice museum piece one Day. If as stated all over this thread all the high volume pumpers available, Why order this thing? A just in case apparatus.
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It was obtained on a grant. There are several locations around the city where high volume foam application would be required in the event of an incident. I alluded to some of them in an earlier post. So if the Feds are providing the right free of charge - why not. The real issue was the choice to call it super pumper. To many, there was only one super pumper. So many keep expecting this rig to go to major structural fire and blast walls away and quickly extinguish large fires. As was seen at the queens 5th the other night, the Satellite stream was used to throw water up over the side of the building to help drench large areas - however the real fire killer that darkened down the fire were the multiple tower ladder companies where members can direct fire streams with greater precision and effectiveness. The current “super pumper” may rarely be utilized- but for a free asset from the feds it is a great asset to have in the arsenal for a rare large hydrocarbon fire, or where large volume water is needed in an area that a fireboat cannot access and the water mains are damaged or inadequate.
 
The super pumper would not have worked at this particular fire. The largest water main here is 20”. Need at the very least a 26” main for maybe half the capacity. What is needed is a body of water, which was many blocks away. I think there is a small body of water on 132 st where the old airport was, but no one knows how deep it is…. Could we have done that? Yes, but we would need to shut many roads…..it was much easier to set up 9 TLs, 2 Satellite, 2 multiversals, 2 Blitzfires, and 6 hand lines
 
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It will Respond to:
-Confirmed Pipeline Leaks
-10-86
-Airport Crash Boxes
-Special called by IC

*Not every large warehouse fire
 
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