Preliminary Signals - Telegraph Alarm
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I wonder if the chart as labeled was altered or updated at some point regarding the signal "14" which had been used to report "breakdown of apparatus while responding to an Alarm"......i seem to remember the BN relocation being used much later while the bells were still being used.....of course in more modern times 10-14 was an ENG responding w/4 FFs.
Bell Codes - NYC Firenet site:
FDNY Bell Codes still in use today.
2-2 Second Alarm announcement
3 Used in combination with a street box and assigned terminal number to indicate an alarm
originating as a private fire alarm in buildings FDNY Special Building Boxes are designated as 8000 series boxes
3-3 Third Alarm announcement and/or response
4 Battalion Chief response required
4-4 Fourth Alarm announcement and/or response
5 Engine Company response required
5-5 Fifth Alarm announcement and/or response
5-7 One Engine and one Ladder Company response required
5-5-5-5 Line of Duty Death / Flag to half staff
6 Marine Company response required
6-5-2 Department Message
7 Ladder Company response required
7-5 Notification signal that three Engine Companies (or two Engines and one Squad)
8 Squad Company response required
9 Preliminary for special units
10 Rescue Company response required
14 Battalion Chief Relocation or Return from Relocation
15 Engine Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
16 Marine Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
17 Ladder Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
FDNY Bell Codes still in use today.
2-2 Second Alarm announcement
3 Used in combination with a street box and assigned terminal number to indicate an alarm
originating as a private fire alarm in buildings FDNY Special Building Boxes are designated as 8000 series boxes
3-3 Third Alarm announcement and/or response
4 Battalion Chief response required
4-4 Fourth Alarm announcement and/or response
5 Engine Company response required
5-5 Fifth Alarm announcement and/or response
5-7 One Engine and one Ladder Company response required
5-5-5-5 Line of Duty Death / Flag to half staff
6 Marine Company response required
6-5-2 Department Message
7 Ladder Company response required
7-5 Notification signal that three Engine Companies (or two Engines and one Squad)
8 Squad Company response required
9 Preliminary for special units
10 Rescue Company response required
14 Battalion Chief Relocation or Return from Relocation
15 Engine Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
16 Marine Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
17 Ladder Company Relocation or Return from Relocation
c1960 Communication Manual lists Signal 14 as Increase, Decrease, or Shut Down Coney Island High Pressure System (which was in use until 1976).
14-3565-150 indicated 150psi desired for box 3565; 14-3565 indicated shut down the CIHP System.
In the 1970s, Engine 318 on arriving at the box and finding nothing, would transmit "Eighty-Six the Pressure", a totally unofficial term, but everyone knew what it meant. That is how things were in Brooklyn.
14-3565-150 indicated 150psi desired for box 3565; 14-3565 indicated shut down the CIHP System.
In the 1970s, Engine 318 on arriving at the box and finding nothing, would transmit "Eighty-Six the Pressure", a totally unofficial term, but everyone knew what it meant. That is how things were in Brooklyn.
Chief I'll have to look in the books later in the day (bedtime here). I think Signal 13 indicated either a Company unable to respond or continue responding (different from OOS), and also a Company who stops to extinguish a fire on the way to something else.
Older books showed 14 as Battalion relocation, and the 1960 books as Coney Island High Pressure. Earlier HP signals for the Brooklyn and Manhattan systems (1908-1953) were something else.
Older books showed 14 as Battalion relocation, and the 1960 books as Coney Island High Pressure. Earlier HP signals for the Brooklyn and Manhattan systems (1908-1953) were something else.
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Yes, but when I can't recall, or find something with it in print.68jk09 said:
I have FDNY Regs c1946, c1956 and the c1960 Communication Manual, here are some relevant points to the issues being discussed.
444 was used as in service signal in all 3 documents
222 was used as OOS OR Company stopping to extinguish a fire when responding elsewhere, it is not defined as such in the 1960 Manual
222 is not defined in the 1960 Manual, but was used again after 1969 to denote end of Adaptive Response hours (222-2-1).
13 was defined in all [among other uses] as a Unit breaks down while responding as well as 1960 ?stopping to extinguish a fire while responding...? (as in 222 above).
High Pressure Signals to increase pressure, decrease, or shut down were 8 followed by Box Number and pressure in 1946. In 1956 and 1960 the Signal 14 was used.
On Relocations.
1946 14 Battalion Chief, 15 Engine Company, 15-15 Engine Company (Pumper only), 16 Hose Wagon of Engine Company, 17 Hook and Ladder Company.
1956 15 Engine Company, 17 Ladder Company.
1960 15 Engine Company, 16 Marine Company, 17 Ladder Company.
Signal (14) for Relocation of a Battalion Chief is only in the 1946 book
Keep in mind that many of these used other numbers or series of numbers to denote their purpose.
Common signals such as 3, 222, 9, 13 had multiple, and sometimes very rare, uses ? way too many to define here.
444 was used as in service signal in all 3 documents
222 was used as OOS OR Company stopping to extinguish a fire when responding elsewhere, it is not defined as such in the 1960 Manual
222 is not defined in the 1960 Manual, but was used again after 1969 to denote end of Adaptive Response hours (222-2-1).
13 was defined in all [among other uses] as a Unit breaks down while responding as well as 1960 ?stopping to extinguish a fire while responding...? (as in 222 above).
High Pressure Signals to increase pressure, decrease, or shut down were 8 followed by Box Number and pressure in 1946. In 1956 and 1960 the Signal 14 was used.
On Relocations.
1946 14 Battalion Chief, 15 Engine Company, 15-15 Engine Company (Pumper only), 16 Hose Wagon of Engine Company, 17 Hook and Ladder Company.
1956 15 Engine Company, 17 Ladder Company.
1960 15 Engine Company, 16 Marine Company, 17 Ladder Company.
Signal (14) for Relocation of a Battalion Chief is only in the 1946 book
Keep in mind that many of these used other numbers or series of numbers to denote their purpose.
Common signals such as 3, 222, 9, 13 had multiple, and sometimes very rare, uses ? way too many to define here.