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Fire Location: 3902 9th Ave

Fire on the 2nd floor

L-147 Fast

All Hands

B-40 heavy fire on the 2nd floor

B-40 have 147 come down 9th off of 39th. Got people out the windows

B-40 we have (3) 10-45s No Codes. CPR being done on 1

E-282,228,201,247,281
L-148,114,147(Fast),122,123s/c
B-40,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-11
Rac-5

D-11 (1) Code 2 and (2) Code 3s

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Signal73 said:
Fire Location: 3902 9th Ave

Fire on the 2nd floor

L-147 Fast

All Hands

B-40 heavy fire on the 2nd floor

B-40 have 147 come down 9th off of 39th. Got people out the windows

B-40 we have (3) 10-45s No Codes. CPR being done on 1

E-228,201,282,281,247
L-114,148,147(Fast),109
B-40,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-11
Rac-5

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Box loaded up due to calls, E247 4th due

BK to L148, TL114: Reports of people at the windows

L148 first due, 282/148 before 201/114

E282 gave 10-75

All-Hands E&T: E281, L122
 
Signal73 said:
Fire Location: 3902 9th Ave

Fire on the 2nd floor

L-147 Fast

All Hands

B-40 heavy fire on the 2nd floor

B-40 have 147 come down 9th off of 39th. Got people out the windows

B-40 we have (3) 10-45s No Codes. CPR being done on 1

E-282,228,201,247,281
L-148,114,147(Fast),122,123s/c
B-40,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-11
Rac-5

D-11 (1) Code 2 and (2) Code 3s
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B40: 3-Story 25x90 Mixed Occupancy, Corner Building - 07:17.

Exposures: 1: Street, 2: 2-Story Brick, 3: 2-Story Brick, 4: Street.

D11: 3 L/S/O, Total Of (3) 10-45's: (1) Code 2 & (2) Code 4. DWH - 07:36.

D11: PWH - 07:48.

D11: Under Control - 08:11 (Duration 1hr, 2 Min).

Relocations:
L169 act. L147
L123 act. L148
E224 act. E282
E253 act. E201
 
could there have been a failure of one or both of the dogs on the fly ladder?
And how is the member that was on the ladder at the time of the failure?
 
seniorofficer said:
could there have been a failure of one or both of the dogs on the fly ladder?
And how is the member that was on the ladder at the time of the failure?
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Something major had to happen for the fly to collapse like that. It held for the member to climb it, then suddenly dropped. Apparently evenly. Not 1 side failed then seconds later the other side. The video I saw, the bottom of the ladder, after the " collapse" for lack of a better tem, was blocked by a parked vehicle. It does appear that there was a knot tied about the height I would expect for the average firefighters height. There also isnt a good enough view to show if the pulley for the halyard failed either.

I did look into fly in/fly out, as a lot of armchair quarterbacks are saying fly in is wrong. In which case, barring the manufacturer saying 1 over the other, it's preference.There is one I saw mentioned that says fly out always. There could be others, and I dont know what FDNY uses. But basically the safety factor of 1 over the other is negligible. It's more preference and dept guide lines. I do remember when I took my truck class the subject came up, and basically, either or, but fly out was preferred for ergonomics and safety only because of the transition from the fly to the base section. If you climb a ladder fly in, the wrungs will feel funny only because of the angle there in. But that's about it.
 
Guessing ladder locks may not have engaged initially or maybe dislodged after ladder possibly being repositioned. Catastrophic failure is possibility.

Through the winter the ladders take a beating driving around. Especially ladders on top of engine. Snow, ice, road salt and dirt. Hard to keep the ladders clean, the ladder locks functioning and the halyard from disintegrating.

In every instance Have to remember to eyeball them as you get up to their height. Not engaged see if you can maneuver them if not you should really get down and reset.
 
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RCL said:
Something major had to happen for the fly to collapse like that. It held for the member to climb it, then suddenly dropped. Apparently evenly. Not 1 side failed then seconds later the other side. The video I saw, the bottom of the ladder, after the " collapse" for lack of a better tem, was blocked by a parked vehicle. It does appear that there was a knot tied about the height I would expect for the average firefighters height. There also isnt a good enough view to show if the pulley for the halyard failed either.

I did look into fly in/fly out, as a lot of armchair quarterbacks are saying fly in is wrong. In which case, barring the manufacturer saying 1 over the other, it's preference.There is one I saw mentioned that says fly out always. There could be others, and I dont know what FDNY uses. But basically the safety factor of 1 over the other is negligible. It's more preference and dept guide lines. I do remember when I took my truck class the subject came up, and basically, either or, but fly out was preferred for ergonomics and safety only because of the transition from the fly to the base section. If you climb a ladder fly in, the wrungs will feel funny only because of the angle there in. But that's about it.
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Fly in fly out issue was important when using old wooden extension ladders. Now with new metal NFPA certified ladders it is not really an issue. Bottom line people at the window that need to get out now. Who cares about fly in or out or tied halyards. Check for overhead wires!, throw the ladder up, make sure ladder locks are engaged, make sure ladder is footed and get up the ladder. Done !
 
Capttomo said:
Fly in fly out issue was important when using old wooden extension ladders. Now with new metal NFPA certified ladders it is not really an issue. Bottom line people at the window that need to get out now. Who cares about fly in or out or tied halyards. Check for overhead wires!, throw the ladder up, make sure ladder locks are engaged, make sure ladder is footed and get up the ladder. Done !
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I would agree about the fly. I was kind of venting about the armchair quarterbacks I've seen in social media, who probably never took any continuing education, or took the time to learn from others.

Id also agree that fires and also victims, dont really care how a ladder is thrown, as long as somethings happening. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do and hope fornthe best. People tend to forget that fires dont play by a rule book. If anything the rules change every few minutes.
 
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