4/21/26 Bronx 5th Alarm Box 3326

tommyhal&oat said:
It actually is isolated, even though it's technically attached in the front.

If you look from the rear that exposure 2 building is not attached front to rear. And as 123ken mentioned, with no adjoining roof access either, its probably better safe than sorry to list this as an isolated building.
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I guess it could be safer? Still seems like it’s a bit off to call a building attached on two sides (with that little 1 story taxpayer on the 4 side) isolated.

If the intention was to mention no roof access from exposure 2, couldn’t that be added as a standalone item in the CIDS? Might be more important to list it that way & avoid the confusion of companies showing up to an isolated building that is not actually isolated.

However, this is not really my place - the company whose admin area it is knows best.
 
FDNY Response Videos said:
I guess it could be safer? Still seems like it’s a bit off to call a building attached on two sides (with that little 1 story taxpayer on the 4 side) isolated.

If the intention was to mention no roof access from exposure 2, couldn’t that be added as a standalone item in the CIDS? Might be more important to list it that way & avoid the confusion of companies showing up to an isolated building that is not actually isolated.

However, this is not really my place - the company whose admin area it is knows best.
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NYC rarely has any true isolated buildings , we all
Know what it means , CIDs program only has a limited amount of space and sure sometimes the person who puts the info could have done a better job but for the most part I think they do a great job.
 
Signal73 said:
Fire Location: 660 East 187 St

E-88 gave the 10-75. Smoke 2nd floor

B-18 we have fire on the 1st floor

CIDS:
5 Story MD 50 X 75 Class 3
Isolated Building
6 Apts per floor no well hole
Fire Escapes Front & Rear

B-18 All Hands on Arrival

B-18 to XCO 187 Street is complete closed due to construction

E-88,46,45,90,43
L-38,58,41,56(Fast)
B-18,27
R-3
Sq-61
D-7
Rac-3

B-18 Transmit the 2nd Alarm. Getting reports of fire on multiple floors

2nd Alarm
E-92,79,94
E-72 w/ Sat. 2
L-59
B-26(FF)
B-17(RUL)
B-20(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
RM-1
CTU-1

B-18 we have 1 L/S/O. Stretching a 2nd Line. Trying to determine where the fire is on multiple floors

B-18 we have 1 10-45 No code in the street with EMS

B-18 we have a 2nd 10-45 No Code in the processes of being removed. we have fire in the stairwell on the 2nd floor. Water on the fire on the 1st floor

D-7 Transmit a 3rd Alarm

*Staging Arthur Ave & 186*

3rd Alarm
E-75,42,81,50,48,263(Comm)
L-27,33,44 Act. 58s/c,30 Act. 56s/c
L-46s/c,19s/c
L-31(Fast)s/c
B-19(FF)
B-3(Staging)*
B-58(ARC)
B-16 Act. 27s/c,11 Act. 17s/c
Rac-1
MSU
Car-4E(Deputy Assistant Chief of CTEP)
Car-13(Chief of Fire Prevention)
Car-22D(Deputy Director of Fleet Services)
Car-23D(Press Duty)
Car-24(Director of Breau of Logistics & Support)
Car-12A(Exeutive Officer-Chief of Safety Command)
Car-11A(Chief of Rescue Operations)

*ABC

E-48 we are around the corner if you want to give us a ticket

XCO 10-4 chiefs waiving you in

D-7 we have another 10-45 no Code

D-7 we have a total of (4) 10-45s

D-7 we put the Fast Truck to work. Assign another Fast Truck

D-7 s/c 2 more trucks

D-7 we have a 5th 10-45 No Code

D-7 we have 4 L/S 3 in Opp. S/C 2 more trucks. DWH

D-7 s/c 2 more Chiefs

D-7 we are in the processes of going to Tower Ladders. Going Defensives. Out of those (5) 10-45s. (2) of them are Code 1's

FC per Car-13 Transmit a Full 4th Alarm

4th Alarm
E-38 Act. 48,67 Act. 75,320 Act. 42,297 Act. 90
L-42 Act. 56,164 Act. 58,129 Act. 27(Fast)s/c
L-17 Act. 27s/c,35 Act. 23s/c,22 Act. 56s/c,50 Act. 46(Fast)s/c
B-49 Act. 19,12 Act. 17
B-13*,14
Sq-41s/c
Car-16A(Assistant Commissioner Breau of Communications)
Car-22A(Director of Fleet Operations)
Car-23C(Deputy Press Secretary)
Car-11X(Captain of Command Tac)
Car-4(Chief of Opps)
Car-1(Fire Commissioner)

*ABC

FC Transmitting a 10-41 Code 1. We have 2 TLs set up and operating. All members removed. DWH

FC s/c another Fast Truck. We put 31 Truck to Work for Fire Fighting

FC s/c Sq41 for FF Duty

FC per Car-4 shutting down TLs. 1 Engine 1 Truck & 1 BC are going to re enter the building to extinguish pockets of fire. DWH

FC Update on the 10-45s Total of 7. (3) Code 1s, (1) Code 3, & (3) Code 4s

FC s/c 3 Tower Ladders. 1 to be a 95 footer. Also 1 truck to relieve the Fast Truck

FC s/c 2 additional Battalion Chief

FC per Car-4 transmit the 5th Alarm. We will just need the Engines & Battalion

5th Alarm
E-69 Act. 45,313 Act. 90,82,47 Act. 79,71 Act. 88s/c,289 Act. 42s/c
L-61 Act. 56(Fast)s/c
B-10 Act. 3,32 Act. 16
Car-33(Medical Officer BK, Q, SI)

FC have 35 truck report into the rear. take 187 to Cresent

FC new instructions for 35 Truck. Have them replace Ladder 58 in front of the fire building

FC we deactivated the Staging Area. All Units to report into the command post

FC s/c 2 Engines into the Command Post

FC s/c a truck to relieve the Fast Truck

FC PWH

FC Per Car-4E Under Control.

FC per Car-4E. Special Call 2 Engines 2 Tower Ladders & 1 BC for watch line every 3 hours

Duration 5 Hours and 5 Minutes

Watch Line @1800
E-64,53
L-144,51
B-53

Watch Line @2100
E-34,97
L-138,114
B-57

Watch Line @0005
E-89,307
L-46,12
B-15

Watch Line @0300
E-66,205
L-31,14
B-35

Exposures:
1. Street
2. 6 Story MD
3. Unknown
4. 5 Story MD



Relocations:
Squad 252 to Squad 41
Engine 76 Act. Engine ??
Engine 22 Act. Engine 50
Engine 297 Act. Engine 90
Engine 287 Act. Engine 90
Engine 331 Act. Engine 287
Engine 315 Act. Engine 313
Engine 313 Act. Engine 90
Engine 259 Act. Engine 263
Engine 320 Act. Engine 42
Engine 289 Act. Engine 42
Engine 83 Act. Engine 42
Engine 26 Act. Engine 47
Engine 47 Act. Engine 79
Engine 60 Act. Engine 79
Engine 40 Act. Engine 60
Engine 69 Act. Engine 45
Engine 71 Act. Engine 88
Engine 262 Act. Engine 88
Engine 38 Act. Engine 48
Engine 59 Act. Engine 48
Engine 67 Act. Engine 75
Engine 35 Act. Engine 75
Engine 218 Act. Engine 35
Engine 326 Act. Engine 82
Ladder 50 Act. Ladder 46
Ladder 14 Act. Ladder 46
Ladder 131 Act. Ladder 14
Ladder 44 Act. Ladder 58
Ladder 164 Act. Ladder 58
Ladder 142 Act. Ladder 163
Ladder163 Act. Ladder 58
Ladder 30 Act. Ladder 56
Ladder 42 Act. Ladder 56
Ladder 22 Act. Ladder 56
Ladder 61 Act. Ladder 56
Ladder 49 Act. Ladder 56
Ladder 154 Act. Ladder 47
Ladder 15 Act. Ladder 35
Ladder 35 Act. Ladder 23
Ladder 23 Act. Ladder 33
Ladder 25 Act. Ladder 19
Ladder 129 Act. Ladder 27
Ladder 17 Act. Ladder 27
Ladder 43 Act. Ladder 27
Ladder 176 Act Ladder 43
Ladder 140 Act. Ladder 136
Ladder 136 Act. Ladder 42
Battalion 10 Act. Battalion 3
Battalion 35 Act. Battalion 18
Battalion 32 Act. Battalion 16
Battalion 37 Act. Battalion 12
Battalion 7 Act. Battalion 11
Battalion 11 Act. Battalion 17
Battalion 12 Act. Battalion 17
Battalion 16 Act. Battalion 27
Battalion 41 Act. Battalion 27
Battalion 49 Act. Battalion 19
Battalion 54 Act. Battalion 19
Battalion 52 Act. Battalion 20

*Group Me Photo*

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*Citizen App Photo*

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gr8 job on the rundown.
 
raybrag said:
You and she are right. In 2025, the total number of multiple alarms from Jan 1 to Apr 30 was 79. This year, the total number of multiple alarms from Jan 1 to 1800 Apr 21 was 87. That's a 10.1% increase through today, and who knows how many more there will be before May 1.
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There also seems to have had more 5th alarms in the last five years than there probably was in the previous 20 years.
 
To my knowledge and in practice the term “isolated building” talked about during drills and included in CIDS was to let everyone know this building may be “out of the ordinary”.

The roof FFs know getting to roof may be tricky due to no adjoining building. LCC know they may be pressed to get very crafty getting acess to roof. A first due TL may leave spot for aerial to get ladder up, etc…

Is building isolated with only one stair? That would be on CIDS. Now roof guy knows he doesn’t have possibility of
A 2nd stair in different wing that might be used if not compromised by fire conditions in other wing.

Isolated building, single stair, rig can’t get to roof? now you’re taking the fire escape to roof. And all the challenges that taking that way brings. If fire conditions block the fire escape with access to roof, well now roof access isn’t happening until fire conditions are controlled to a degree that access can finally be safely
 
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Structurally, fires in isolated buildings, especially old law tenements may give the chief a little tickle that our regular operating procedures may be a little different or changed rapidly according to fire and building conditions. We’re talking super old buildings that don’t have a building on each side to help hold it up.
 
FDNY Response Videos said:
I guess it could be safer? Still seems like it’s a bit off to call a building attached on two sides (with that little 1 story taxpayer on the 4 side) isolated.

If the intention was to mention no roof access from exposure 2, couldn’t that be added as a standalone item in the CIDS? Might be more important to list it that way & avoid the confusion of companies showing up to an isolated building that is not actually isolated.

However, this is not really my place - the company whose admin area it is knows best.
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Yes, but in terms of access it actually is isolated. If you look at the building from an aerial view, it is only the 1/2 corner that is attached.

As others mentioned above, you cannot access the roof from any of the exposures.

It probably could be worded better although regardless, it gets the point across.
 
captaindewey50267021@gm said:
I say it again. You should Not put the FAST truck to work for anything other than a FAST/Mayday!" Chief's if you must put the FAST Truck to work for fire duty it is because you are play catch up. Chief's if you do not have multiple units standing by "On Deck" you have not planned ahead; you have not been proactive. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 25 retired.
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One of the SOC companies should be theFAST unit since that’s what they were originally made for and the FAST truck is essentially never the ones to find a downed member. So using the “FAST” unit to try to catch up or get ahead ajoild be totally acceptable. Maybe in Volly land they need to be a dedicated FAST unit
 
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