- May 10, 2019
What happen to the 5th man ? Reassignbment ?
Officers in the FDNY are not counted as a firefighter. They are the officer and are supervisors. While many an officer might help with a difficult stretch, that’s not their job. For manning, it’s now 4AFAIK the “5” man engine companies only refers to firefighters and not the officer. So the companies are going from 6 on the rig to 5 on the rig. Not 5 to 4. Just for clarity
So as I questioned earlier, it is still based on medical leave, & nothing about budget cuts. So now when LOD medical leave goes up, what’s the city’s next move, close companies?The Uniformed Firefighters Association says the FDNY has removed the "fifth firefighter" position from 20 engine companies.www.cbsnews.com
I understand that. My post was for clarity as almost everywhere else counts the officer so I was just commenting for some who might not be familiar that FDNY does not count the officer. An FDNY 4-person engine is a 5-person engine everywhere else.Officers in the FDNY are not counted as a firefighter. They are the officer and are supervisors. While many an officer might help with a difficult stretch, that’s not their job. For manning, it’s now 4
34 would hire the 4th, thats the minimum staffing to start a tour. After the tour starts is a different story, but no, they cant be detailed out and ride short to begin a tour.Question for the class.
How many of those companies posted above are actually 5 man Engines?
If E-54 has 5 but E-34 has 3 and the 5th man gets detailed out.
Are they no longer considered a 5 man engine? Most likely 10-15? because they normally have 5?
How often does something like that happen?
Not sure of all of the units but 308 has the JFK Hosewagon, and 324 has Sat 4. So that may explain why they were 5 man but could be wrong.What's the history behind these 20 Engine Companies retaining the 5th firefighter? Geographically, they are scattered across all five boroughs in diverse neighborhoods with different fire challenges. Their work-loads, runs and workers, is also diverse. Some are single unit houses, while others are paired with Truck Companies. For example, E54 with L4 and B9 has 5 members assigned, while E8 with L2 and B8 has 4 members. Both midtown stations, almost parallel to each other in Manhattan, one on the west side and east side, respectively. Same thing with E65 with 5 firefighters in a single unit house south of midtown, while E23 has 4 members in a single unit house to the north of midtown.
What makes these 20 Engines different from the other 175 Engines, that they retained their "door" firefighters while all the others had the fifth firefighter cut??