6/7/25 Philadelphia PA 4th Alarm Box 522

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Signal73

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Fire Location: South 48th St & Locust St

Heavy fire in multiple apartments in a 4 story u shaped apartment building

BC-11 All hands on arrival

E-5,68,57,44
L-6,13,24(RIT)
BC-11,7
R-1
Sq-47
DC-1
ES-1,3
IS-1

2nd Alarm
E-41(Logistics),16,43,40,1
L-9,4
BC-4(Logistics),3,6(Safety)
Medic 59

3rd Alarm @05:49
E-35,24,50,12
AC-1
Medic-14s/c,40s/c

Staging area will be at 48th & Pine Sts

4th Alarm @06:15
Squirt-9,E-11,45,27

Relocations:
E-35-5
E-24-68
E-50-44
E-12-41
E-2-43
E-73-50
L-11-6
L-16-9
L-18-24
B-5-4
B-9-11

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What are the jobs of the Engine and Chief with the "Logistics" designation?
 
I wonder with that much fire in such a large building why additional Tower Ladders and Squirts were not "special called" = FDNY Term". The Tower Ladder shown in the top photo would have had a better shot at covering two sides of the building, if it was possible to position on the corner/apex of the fire building. Not to be a critic of some excellent firefighters only making a tactical point. I spent over 20 years working in FDNY Tower Ladders. As always "Hit it hard and fast" A Quote from FDNY Assistant Chief "Smokie" Joe Martin, in early 1900s. NOTE "Smoky the Bear" was named after "Smokie" Joe Martin. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
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captaindewey50267021@gm said:
I wonder with that much fire in such a large building why additional Tower Ladders and Squirts were not "special called" = FDNY Term". The Tower Ladder shown in the top photo would have had a better shot at covering two sides of the building, if it was possible to position on the corner/apex of the fire building. Not to be a critic of some excellent firefighters only making a tactical point. I spent over 20 years working in FDNY Tower Ladders. As always "Hit it hard and fast" A Quote from FDNY Assistant Chief "Smokie" Joe Martin, in early 1900s. NOTE "Smoky the Bear" was named after "Smokie" Joe Martin. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
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Funny you mention said TL in the picture because it is TL2, which isn't in the rundown above nor on the one I have, so it must have been special called.
 
Years ago when they had an extra in Philly they had a term called “water supply company” The water supply companys job was to help find hydrants for companys and to give a hand where needed. The water supply company was the first company announced for the 2nd alarm. They also had a B.C. Assigned to it. They changed the name to Logistics but it’s still basically the same thing. Also when I retired in 06 based on either the 1st in company or B.C.’s report the FCC (fire communication center)
would automatically send special equipment like our squirts and tower ladders for cover-ups so they would be closer if the fire went to extra alarms. One thing to keep in mind is that Philly has mostly tiller ladders. We also use the term “special call”. I have a question, in FDNY can the first arriving company call for a 2nd alarm. Down here as a Lieut, or even an acting Lieut the first arriving company can call for a 2nd alarm.
 
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Yes, the 1st unit on the scene can transmit a 2nd alarm in the FDNY. I did it twice in my time at a company officer in, once while a Lieutenant in L-19 and once as a Captain in Engine 26. I was at a fire in the Chelesa section in Manhattan where the Lieutenant in FDNY Rescue 1 transmitted a 2nd and then a 3rd alarm for a very advanced building fire, upon his arrival. I love the concept of a "water supply company" generally the best thing the 2nd due Engine company on "Box" = 1st alarm, can do is make sure the 1st Engine company arriving "has water". This can be a Iife or death decision if the 1st. due Engine has a bad hydrant or some other water problem. FDNY has a signal 10-70 = "In line Pumping in use. A 10-70 is often used when the 1st due Engine company has a "Bad" or malfunctioning hydrant and cannot rapidly move to a "Good Hydrant" or the Pumps on the 1st due or any other vital Engine company are malfunctioning (See FDNY Evolution 1-A). Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
captaindewey50267021@gm said:
Yes, the 1st unit on the scene can transmit a 2nd alarm in the FDNY. I did it twice in my time at a company officer in, once while a Lieutenant in L-19 and once as a Captain in Engine 26. I was at a fire in the Chelesa section in Manhattan where the Lieutenant in FDNY Rescue 1 transmitted a 2nd and then a 3rd alarm for a very advanced building fire, upon his arrival. I love the concept of a "water supply company" generally the best thing the 2nd due Engine company on "Box" = 1st alarm, can do is make sure the 1st Engine company arriving "has water". This can be a Iife or death decision if the 1st. due Engine has a bad hydrant or some other water problem. FDNY has a signal 10-70 = "In line Pumping in use. A 10-70 is often used when the 1st due Engine company has a "Bad" or malfunctioning hydrant and cannot rapidly move to a "Good Hydrant" or the Pumps on the 1st due or any other vital Engine company are malfunctioning (See FDNY Evolution 1-A). Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
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Hey Capt I think you mis-understood my post. It’s the 1st engine and B.C. On the 2nd. alarm that’s the logistics company and logistics chief (formerly known in Philly as water supply company and water supply chief). If you look at the run down for the 2nd alarm you can see the designations. One of the logistic company’s job is to survey the fireground looking for availible hydrants for incoming company’s on the extra. On a regular box response if the 1st in engine is having a problem with water the chief will address that. Here the 1st and 3rd in engines are assigned the front of the dwelling and the 2nd and 4th the rear, but only the 1st in engine is allowed near the front making sure there’s room for the 1st in ladder ( the 2nd in ladder has the rear) All other engines are to take hydrants and stretch from there. Of course this can all change depending on the situation which we all know can happen at anytime.
 
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