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I noticed that on Engine 7 amongst others there is now a big diamond plated box on top of the cab, what is carried in them , and also why are the new sea graves 2,000/500 instead of the old 1,000/500?

Thanks guys!!! ;D 8)
 
NVEMTIFFII said:
I noticed that on Engine 7 amongst others there is now a big diamond plated box on top of the cab, what is carried in them , and also why are the new sea graves 2,000/500 instead of the old 1,000/500?

Thanks guys!!! ;D 8)
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All the NEW Seagrave Marauder II Engines have this box on top of the rigs now. Before to my understanding only Co's that where located near water had them and used to carry water rescue gear in them. So i would say its water rescue gear or extra storage for other equipment
 
Each unit is has it setup in diffrent
We have Skeds, Hazmat APR's and some other stuff.
Some water Rescue units keep all the stuff up there.
Engine 8 Has the Hi-press equipment in it at last check.
 
tbendick said:
Each unit is has it setup in diffrent
We have Skeds, Hazmat APR's and some other stuff.
Some water Rescue units keep all the stuff up there.
Engine 8 Has the Hi-press equipment in it at last check.
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We don't have one yet, but we're looking forward to the extra space.  The rest of the compartments are packed and having that space for the Skeds and water rescue stuff will be a big help. 

Interesting note about the cab top box; all of the rigs in the initial order had to be modified in house before being assigned to the company.  They were too tall and had to be cut down and then welded. 

As for the pumping capacity:  The larger pumps were purchased for use in the event of a major disaster or terrorist attack.  The ability to use them to draft or pump water over large distances could be helpful in the event of major water main damage.
 
JohnnyBopp said:
As for the pumping capacity:  The larger pumps were purchased for use in the event of a major disaster or terrorist attack.  The ability to use them to draft or pump water over large distances could be helpful in the event of major water main damage.
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I'm very surprised they didn't switch to LDH like that carry on the satellites for use on the new engines.  How they are presently set up there's no way they can utilize the pump capacity over any significant distance because of hose considerations which really doesn't make much sense.
 
Bulldog said:
I'm very surprised they didn't switch to LDH like that carry on the satellites for use on the new engines.  How they are presently set up there's no way they can utilize the pump capacity over any significant distance because of hose considerations which really doesn't make much sense.
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We don't need LDH on any regular basis.  We carry all the hose that is relevant to typical engine operations, there is no room left over for LDH.  Should the full extent of those pumps be necessary, they would be deployed in conjunction with the Satellite units as well as (possibly) the marine units which have enormous reels of 5" hose.  The need for that kind of pumping capacity would only be carried out in some sort of prolonged operation.
 
The LDH discussion for FDNY was put to rest in another thread. Their hydrants are around 300 feet apart and closer, with multiple hydrants at intersections. Laying dual 3 1/2 lines at close and not so close distances can provide plenty of water in an urban application with negligible friction loss (coefficient .34). They use what works for them.

If you operate in a Dept. like mine with hydrants regularly 500-1000 feet apart, 5" works best in that setting vs what we used to utilize: 2 1/2 & 3 inch.

 
vbcapt said:
If you operate in a Dept. like mine with hydrants regularly 500-1000 feet apart, 5" works best in that setting vs what we used to utilize: 2 1/2 & 3 inch.
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You're certainly correct, and that's what I'm used to.  I realize for normal operations FDNY certainly doesn't need LDH because of the close hydrant spacing.  However, that being said their justification for the 2000gpm pumps in the new engines it's so they could draft and provide water over long distances during a major emergency like 9/11.  Even with what they carry on the satellites and the boats it would seem like they should have more available or else they couldn't use the capacity of these engines.  They probably don't even need to be carrying it on a regular basis due to space limitations but they could certainly make some hose wagons quite inexpensively out of stake body trucks or flatbeds!
 
The 2 Airport Hose Wagons  assigned to ENG*308 for JFK & ENG*316 for LAG both former Sattelite rigs also carry all LDH.
 
Department plans, as part of the Auxiliary Water System project, call for changing the hose loads on the six satellites and the two airport hose wagons from five to six inch hose.
 
Bulldog said:
I realize for normal operations FDNY certainly doesn't need LDH because of the close hydrant spacing.

They probably don't even need to be carrying it on a regular basis due to space limitations but they could certainly make some hose wagons quite inexpensively out of stake body trucks or flatbeds!
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You have to remember, it isn't just close hydrant spacing.  The engine goes to the water, not to the building.  When you have tight streets like we do, you need to get the engine out of the way to keep the front of the fire building open for trucks.  The chauffeur uses a 10' connection to hook up most of the time.  If not that, he'll use the 35' length of 5" that's in the front bumper.  That is usually used if there is a car preventing the engine from getting close to the hydrant. 

As for units carrying LDH; between all the satellites and the airport hose-wagons, there are plenty of available units with thousands of feet of LDH.
 
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