FDNY- EMS split?

lfdlt31 said:
How would separating all of a sudden fix the pay issue or the people leaving to become a firefighter?
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It wouldn’t, it would just take away the discussion of parity within the same department. Separating the departments would eliminate that and keep the EMS pay scale, in my opinion.
 
GeoC said:
It wouldn’t, it would just take away the discussion of parity within the same department. Separating the departments would eliminate that and keep the EMS pay scale, in my opinion.
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Let's face it, prior to 1996 Health & Hospital Corp. did nothing for their EMS employees. Then 1996 came along and EMS was promised the moon by some Deputy Fire Commissioner whose name I can't recall. It's now 2025 and all remains the same. EMS will always be referred to as "those ambulance drivers."
 
In my opinion it would make things worse, alot of people are joining EMS do they can become firefighters. While it isn't optimal to loose alot of your workforce every few years, these EMTs that are coming and going are largely what is keeping EMS staffed. You take that away and the amount of EMTs is going to drop, as most people that do go through EMS for fire doesn't necessarily care about EMS itself and just the path it's giving them
 
Just some random thoughts. If you remove EMS from FDNY but really don’t change the number of EMS personnel on the streets and number of staffed units on the street, the new third party EMS will still look to FDNY to carry part of the load as they do now and perhaps look for them to do more (the rediculous thought of CFR ladder companies). If FDNY is going to be a significant part of the EMS delivery system, much better to be in control than having another agency dictate your role in their delivery system. Secondly, although there will always be people looking to pass through EMS to Fire as long as the gate is open, there are many EMTs and paramedics who can’t or don’t want to do fire in the tri state area. If the city paid a much better salary, and reduced some of the workload via the addition is some more staffed units, you would actually increase retention and decrease turnover. As the turnover slows, more “EMS only” personnel actually slow down the available slots for those looking to pass through to fire. This further decreases turnover and brings about significant savings in the monies used to train new EMTs and Paramedics. Just my opinion.
 
Outside of the FDNY, some places that provide the ambulance service within the fire department require all the members to maintain an EMT status for a 15-or-20-year period. During that time members are rotated on the ambulance for a one-month period.

After those 15-20 years the member has the option to work overtime if they sign up for a one-year period at a time.
However, that includes being ordered to the EMS unit on the shift if needed.

In addition, in hiring several fire departments are giving priority to any individual who is already EMT qualified.

Departments with paramedic service have similar set ups.

Firefighters, EMTs, Paramedics - SAVE LIVES.
What would we do without them.
 
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