FDNY Runs and Workers

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A little FDNY history, Interchange. Around 1970 John T. O'Hagan wore two hats, Chief of Department and Fire Commissioner. The duties of COD were performed by the Chief of Fire Control. I believe in 1970 this chief was either Beekman or Cruthers Sr. O'Hagan was friends with Bob Farrell. O'Hagan was a BC in the 9th Battalion when Farrell was a FF in L4. Farrell made a great Class 1 rescue in a 5th at a 42nd street subway fire. Farrell was one of the most decorated members I worked with, chest full of Class 1's,2's and 3's, I believe only Tom Neary wore more. Farrell had been a frogman during the Korean War, today's SEALS. In 1970 Farrell was a Lt. in 31 truck, later Captain of 31 during my time there. Around 70 Farrell invited O'Hagan to dinner with 82/31. O'Hagan accepted. The night of the dinner the Bronx was jumping. 31 was in and out, caught a few jobs and O'Hagan, with no dinner, left around 2200. The next day he said that something must be done for busy companies so that they can at least have somewhat of a meal time, Interchange was born. I can't rember the exact numbers when you interchanged then, something like 15 runs before 2400, 20 runs after with 4 hours of work. As they say no good deed goes unpunished, so with interchange. With the heavy workload the unions were successful in a number 2nd sections put in service.  The WRI points (how much work a company did each month) was used by the unions for second section demands. This brought mandatory interchange for the busy companies. Most had one company every 3rd night or so, 82 had 2 with every other night, 31 had one.

Interchange was a pain in the ass for both companies, the busy and the slow. In 82 the community boards demanded that the quarters of 295 and 297 not be left vacant while the companies traveled to the Bronx. So we at 82 would leave for Queens around 1830, took about a half hour or so depaending on traffic to get to 295 and 297. By the time 295 and 297 got to 82's qtrs it would be close to 2000 hours, a long time to leave 82 vacant, a lot of work was missed and people suffered. But the WRI's were lower. In the morning we would have to wait for 295/297 to return before we could start out for the Bronx. Some mornings if they were at a job at change of tour they wouldn't get back to Queens until 1000 hours. The guys didn't appreciate us getting back to qtrs at 1030 hours, OT or not.

The guys in the companies doing the interchange, many, not all, but many; hated it. You couldn't blame them as most of these guys had come from busy companies. There was friction between the guys at times, but for the most part we got along. There was one oldtimer on the back step of 295 who used to give me a tickle at times like when the were leaving for the Bronx "you take it easy tonight Cap, we'll handle it." One day when they came back from 82 they had an unusually quiet night, 4 or 5 runs before midnight and no work/runs after. That morning when the came back the oldtime gave it to me "anytime you guys need a rest we'll take care of it and if we need one we'll go up to the bronx." I just said "sounds good." The very tour next they went up there and came back the next morning they took up from a job. They had hose draped over the back step. The oldtime got off the rig with plaster all over his helmat and coat, was soaked. They had 30 or so runs with2 or 3 good jobs. The old timer looked at me and said "don't say anything, they made up for the other night." So it went.

Interchange was part of the war years. When the war ended so did interchange. Good times, bad times.
 
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******* agreed the interchange sucked .... i participated in it from start to finish it did no favors for either the busy or slow Companies...it did do the bean counters a favor by lowering runs considerably as you stated ........most where working in the environment they wanted to work in & did not want to be forced to switch...in the period between '68 to '75 we were involved w/4 slower LADs never did anyone of them or any one of us say "boy i like this better" & put in a transfer......many stories about it but i will just sum it up by saying it sucked.
 
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2015 ALL HANDS OR GREATER RESPONSE BY UNIT....ENGs ..275-139...283-126...303-124...332-123...310-121...45-114...231-113...46-112...298 & 317 tied -129...159-105...290-104............LADs..174-131...157-124...120-122...123-121...175-119...133-116...113-113...126-111...103-110...165-107...............BNs..50-218...54 & 18 tied - 187...41-177...44-176...51-163...46-157...38-154...37-154...33-141...42-135................SOC..RESCUE's.. 2-572...4-509...3-461-1-291...5-186.....SQUADs ..1-472...252-374...41-331...270-306...288-248...61-246...18-228..........Fire Boats..Feehan-14...FF2-11...343-5.
 
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68jk09 said:
2015 ALL HANDS OR GREATER RESPONSE BY UNIT....ENGs ..275-139...283-126...303-124...332-123...310-121...45-114...231-113...46-112...298 & 317 tied -129...159-105...290-104............LADs..174-131...157-124...120-122...123-121...175-119...133-116...113-113...126-111...103-110...165-107...............BNs..50-218...54 & 18 tied - 187...41-177...44-176...51-163...46-157...38-154...37-154...33-141...42-135................SOC..RESCUE's.. 2-572...4-509...3-461-1-291...5-186.....SQUADs ..1-472...252-374...41-331...270-306...288-248...61-246...18-228..........Fire Boats..Feehan-14...FF2-11...343-5.

  Thanks very much Chief. Some interesting statics posted there.

  As I look through these numbers I remember talking to Retired FDNY Dispatcher 120, Warren F. Things were changing throughout the city as the neighborhoods were changing. He was also a buff and I asked him, "Where do you think the next busiest companies might be". I wanted to get an idea on where a good place would be to buff. He told me; "Engine 275 is an up and coming company". I had no idea where 275 was. In fact this was before Ladder 133 was established with them.

  Well, I guess # 120 was right. Engine 275 had the most All Hands or Greater Alarms for the Engine Cos throughout the city for 2015.

  Now if I can just get him to do the same for me with a few lottery numbers...... 
 
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guitarman314 said:
  Wow, Bronx is not represented except for Bn18 and Engines 45 & 46. ??? :eek:

A huge year for Bn 18, eng 45 and surrounding co's.  2016 going to even bigger since they picked up a ton of Bn 20's first due boxes
 
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Here are Engine 82's Runs from 1948-2010. The number following the total is 82's rank in THE CITY including ALL units (Engines, Ladders, Squads, Rescues). I don't bother with Workers, a meaningless statistic. Never understood the concept of going to an alarm and not being counted. Also, the concept of grouping as companies into one list isn't practiced, but a Run is a Run. I'll post a couple of years that shows the combined companies later.



ENGINE 82 - BRONX
Year Runs/City Rank
1948 1283-8
1949 1508-5
1950 1591-5
1951 1624-5
1952 1741-10
1953 1876-6
1954 1687-8
1955 1572-8
1956 1518-7
1957 1942-3
1958 2007-8
1959 2344-6
1960 2606-10
1961 2648-11
1962 2733-10
1963 3051-10
1964 4612-3
1965 5137-4
1966 6234-1
1967 6659-1
1968 9111-1 Here's the busiest year
1969 6181-6
1970 6204-9
1971 7871-1
1972 8390-1
1973 6567-1 Here's where Chief was referring to all the interchanges and swaps, yet still #1 in the City
1974 6427-2
1975 5513-11 All sorts of modifications to traditional run cards in place to decrease runs for busy cos.
1976 6433-6
1977 6132-10
1978 5143 The neighborhood was gone by now
1979 3539
1980 4457-21
1981 3785
1982 3515
1983 3135
1984 3026
1985 3196
1986 3717-7
1987 4235-6
1988 3969-12
1989 4102-13
1990 4947-5
1991 5027-7
1992 4829-9
1993 4546-11
1994 4090-13
1995 4024-22
1996 3589
1997 3785
1998 3631
1999 3890
2000 3885
2001 3904
2002 3927-18
2003 3601
2004 4024
2005 4172
2006 4274
2007 4419
2008 4185
2009 4269
2010 4374

Here are Engine 82's Runs from 1948-2010. The number following the total is 82's rank in THE CITY including ALL units (Engines, Ladders, Squads, Rescues). I don't bother with Workers, a meaningless statistic. Never understood the concept of going to an alarm and not being counted. Also, the concept of grouping as companies into one list isn't practiced, but a Run is a Run. I'll post a couple of years that shows the combined companies later.



ENGINE 82 - BRONX
Year Runs/City Rank
1948 1283-8
1949 1508-5
1950 1591-5
1951 1624-5
1952 1741-10
1953 1876-6
1954 1687-8
1955 1572-8
1956 1518-7
1957 1942-3
1958 2007-8
1959 2344-6
1960 2606-10
1961 2648-11
1962 2733-10
1963 3051-10
1964 4612-3
1965 5137-4
1966 6234-1
1967 6659-1
1968 9111-1 Here's the busiest year
1969 6181-6
1970 6204-9
1971 7871-1
1972 8390-1
1973 6567-1 Here's where Chief was referring to all the interchanges and swaps, yet still #1 in the City
1974 6427-2
1975 5513-11 All sorts of modifications to traditional run cards in place to decrease runs for busy cos.
1976 6433-6
1977 6132-10
1978 5143 The neighborhood was gone by now
1979 3539
1980 4457-21
1981 3785
1982 3515
1983 3135
1984 3026
1985 3196
1986 3717-7
1987 4235-6
1988 3969-12
1989 4102-13
1990 4947-5
1991 5027-7
1992 4829-9
1993 4546-11
1994 4090-13
1995 4024-22
1996 3589
1997 3785
1998 3631
1999 3890
2000 3885
2001 3904
2002 3927-18
2003 3601
2004 4024
2005 4172
2006 4274
2007 4419
2008 4185
2009 4269
2010 4374
1978 was also the year the NYC welfare laws were revised. Recipients no longer went to the head of the line for public housing when they burn their apartments out. Runs across the entire FDNY droped markedly from '78 to '79. Ya think the genius pols could have figured out this cause and effect sooner.
 
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