London, England- Riots 08-06-11

[Ten-seventy-seven]

Now widespread rioting breaking out in Manchester and Birmingham, including large shopping buildings being set on fire along with cars and trucks.  Also news of more unrest breaking out in Canning Town, London.

I would also like to point out that London would never run out of engines or ladders. All the surrounding counties of the London area would provide apparatus to both cover relocations and to provide assistance to larger runs. The county that I live in (Buckinghamshire) borders onto London and both counties regularly send in assistance and relocators when needed.

 

[Petey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo&feature=player_embedded#at=55

Watching all these vids makes me feel sick. Full of mixed emotions, I feel angry and sad. What's happening to these people !?
I feel sorry for those involved, feel sorry for all those who have to do their job under these circumstances. I hope fire doesn't find too much trouble in fighting fires.

Today 16 thousand of PD deployed. Hope they will bring safety back to UK.

 

[scoobyd]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/


What colour is Mark Duggan? Mark Duggan is the man who was shot dead by the police on Thursday in Tottenham. The Tottenham riots last night were sparked when people protested his death. This morning, I first heard of the riots on the radio, then on the television. I read articles on the internet. But oddly, no one would say what colour Mark Duggan was. No one would say the unsayable, that the rioters were, I suspect on the whole, black. Then, finally, Toby Young?s Telegraph blog post on the riots was published. Is Toby Young the only  journalist out there who will dare say that these riots are about race?

Still, one paper did carry a photo of Mr Duggan. When I saw the photo, it confirmed what I knew instinctively: black youths once again have set London alight.

Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them. Everywhere I read that the protest was understandable because ?people are very angry?.

I?d like to know what they?re angry about. Mark Duggan is dead. He was shot by the police in a shootout. Duggan was in a minicab and shots were fired from both the cab and the police elsewhere. A police officer was hurt in the incident and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Either Duggan was shooting at the police or the driver of the minicab was. Either Duggan was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his death is a terrible tragedy ? he was caught in the crossfire ? or he shot at the police and the police defended themselves. Whatever the explanation, the police did not kill this man in cold blood.

Yet, a friend of Duggan who gave her name as Niki, 53, said marchers had wanted ?justice for the family? and ?something had to be done?. She said some of them lay in the road to make their point. ?They?re making their presence known because people are not happy. This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone.?

I wonder what ?involved in things? means? I also wonder whether the police officer who was hurt at the scene believes Mark Duggan never hurt anyone. ?Something had to be done?? She makes it sound as if the police are killing black people every other weekend and finally someone decided to take a stand.

At school I remember watching a presentation given to the kids by Trident, the Metropolitan Police Service unit set up to investigate and inform communities of gun crime in London?s black community. I didn?t know what Trident was then, and it struck me that all of the photos of people shot (the idea was to scare the kids) were black. So at the end, I approached one of the policemen and asked him what percentage of those involved in gun crime were black. I kid you not, but my question made this thirty-something white man who was, after all, trained to deal with the black community and its issues, turn pink.

He explained that about 80 per cent of gun crime took place in the black community. I smiled uncomfortably. But no, he said, it was worse than that. Then he told me that 80 per cent was black on black gun crime, and that of the remaining 20 per cent about 75 per cent involved at least one black person: black shooting white, or white shooting black. I pushed to know more. While he kept saying his stats were crude and he didn?t have scientific numbers, on the whole the whites who were involved in these shootings tended to be from Eastern Europe.

Was any of this ever mentioned in their presentation? Of course not. Just like the news about the Tottenham riots doesn?t mention race either.

Problems cannot be addressed unless people are willing to tell the truth. As with so many other things in this country, we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to speak out about it.

 

[Ten-seventy-seven]

This man either fired at police or raised the weapon intent on firing at the police, so any law enforcement officer would have no hesitation in disabling him with whatever force was necessary.

As usual there are always people quick to point out that a man has died as a result of this incident, and they are of course completely correct, but what I would like to concentrate on is the potential lives saved by getting this individual off the streets of London and more importantly the lives saved by this weapon no longer being in the hands of these terrorist thugs. 

 

[Petey]

Maybe this isn't about a man's color. This is about people not doing the right things. When police say stop, just stop. Just do what ordered or expect trouble or worse. Never point a gun or die ( not saying that the man did point one). It is absolutely not justified to set shops on fire and to take what's not your's. This is only about not thinking and use the incident as a reason to act like social hooligans. We have the right to walk the streets for protest, but never like this !

 

[IRISH]

Now widespread rioting breaking out in Manchester and Birmingham, including large shopping buildings being set on fire along with cars and trucks.  Also news of more unrest breaking out in Canning Town, London.

I would also like to point out that London would never run out of engines or ladders. All the surrounding counties of the London area would provide apparatus to both cover relocations and to provide assistance to larger runs. The county that I live in (Buckinghamshire) borders onto London and both counties regularly send in assistance and relocators when needed.

That quote came from the LFB themselves. They where running out of LFB Appliances. They did not mention anything about relief from neighbouring counties but we all know im sure they where there

I will say again also these riots like WE ALL know have nothing got to do with the shooting. Its just pure scum an evil with nothing better to be doing

 

[grumpy grizzly]

The best way to confront an assole is a bullet. The bullet will always win!

 

[IRISH]

The best way to confront an assole is a bullet. The bullet will always win!

Sadly Grumpy Grizzly id have to disagree with you as a Police Officer has just being shot at in Birmingham. Very serious escalation

 

[londonfireguy]

I was on duty last night in central London, I would have been on duty monday night, but i was on leave for the shift, i wish i had been on duty as my crew came under attacks, having bricks and bottles thrown at them, and the crew had to abandon whaty they were doing and watch a building burn to the ground as police battled the rioters. I would have prefered to have been standing aongside my brother FFs, but thats the way it was. Unprecedented scenes of Blitz style blazes and mass rioting, not seen in the UK decades and decades, if not longer, splashed across the screens the world over. Very sad.

There were several incidents of fire engines gitting attacked, and having windscreens smashed and bricks thrown at crews, at this time there have thankfully been no injuries to FFs. btween 1800 hrs (1300hrs NYC) and 0700 hrs Tuesday(0200hrs NYC) the London fire brigade responded to 2020 emergency calls. Police say they have picked up intellegance, that there is a plan for gangs to kidnap a police officer and kill them.

Last night, Tuesday night, driving into London to start work, was surreal, Tuesday afternoons and evenings in London are a hive of activity, traffic congestion, tourists, business workers, people socialising, under normal circumstances. Last night, there was nobody around, other than people trying to get out of London, it was like a public holdiay.

Then as the night went on, there were 16,000 police officers on the streets of London, convoy upon convoy of police vans, roaoming the streets, nothing other than police, it was a police controled city, the first time such a situation has warrented such a response.

The calls trickled in, minor things, bin fires, rubbish fires, and the normal calls, but London was a ghost town controlled by the police.

Last night went quietly in London, no rioting, some minor stand offs, but people had got the message. For those that know the UK, the follwoing will come a a surprise, while out responding to calls last night, we saw police vans and officers in London from Sussex, Hampshire, Dyfed and powys (Wales) West Yorkshire, Northumbria, Lancashire, im sure there were others.

Its now started in other parts of the UK, and what lies ahead over the next few nights for London I dont know, I am now on four days off, so i will be watching it on TV with, it seems, the rest of the world.

JT

 

[firebuffkevin]

Hard to believe:

London Sony Warehouse Burning Destroyed by Fire in Riots

 

[grumpy grizzly]

I guess the emotions got the best of me, best wishes for all police, fire, and ems in these trying times.

 

[IRISH]

If it is possible to have a god day after 4 days of rioting , looting & arson's  though today was it. The day started with news of neighbourhoods taking back their areas. then came the news of Police identifying multiple scumbags via CCTV and people phoning in to police with names of people who where caught in the act setting buildings on fire, looting and mugging people.

Then when see kids being brought to court by their parents and courts refusing bale for people in custody you think yes this is good only to find out that some of these youths will escape scot free & others being handed a mesily 4 months in prison another 6 months in prison....WTF.

These scumbags should be getting years not months

 

[grumpy grizzly]

Just remeber for those idiots. A whole bunch of loser men and "My name is Bubba and I think I love you!!! ;D ;D ;D