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  That was on Wednesday, Oct. 12th, 1977, a 5th Alarmer seen worldwide on ABC Sports. The fire building was the old PS 3 school building which was a  large 400 x 200 4 story vacant school built in 1890. E71 responded to an ERS box at 1917hrs then 3 minutes later Box 2310-Melrose & 158 was sent, followed by a 7-5 and it progressed all all the way up to a 5th alarm at 2151hrs, 2 hours later. The Super Pumper and 2 additional tower ladders were also called in. 
 
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If I remember correcly there was a movie titled "Fort Apache, the Bronx" This movie concerned itself with NYPD operations and I think Paul Newman starred in it. In the movie there is an actual fire scene that was in progress while scenes were being filmed so the director just kept it in. I think 82/31 was shown in action :)
 
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Guitarman314, Yes, thats the fire I was talking about. I never expected anybody out there to have that many details on it. Yes, it was a school on fire. I remember my buddies talking about it. There were no computers, Web Sites, or pagers in those days to get the rundowns etc. It was one buff telling another, or in my case, I saw it on TV. I was a new guy on the job and they were watching the game in the firehouse. I don"t remember exactly what I was doing at the time, but I do remember the guys yelling to me; "Hey Willy, come check out this job in the Bronx". Thank you Guitarman for that info.
  Mr Grumpy Grizzly, Yes, that movie "Fort Apache the Bronx" did show 82/31 going into a job near the end of the movie. For those who don"t know, the movie itself was about the NYPDs 42nd Pct. It showed the conditions that existed in the chaotic South Bronx during those busy years. It was filmed on the streets of The South Bronx. I have it in my collection because I consider it to be a good movie, and it shows what it was like in those years. I had thought about mentioning that movie, but you beat me to it.
  Thank you both for your input.
 
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turk132 said:
Fort Apache was the 41 PCT I believe.
Yes, the "real" Fort Apache was the 41st Pct. then located on Simpson St. nr. Westchester Ave. but the movie was shot at the 42nd Pct. at Washington Ave. where it begins off 3rd Avenue & 160th St. Could be because the 42 was located in a plaza setting and it would be better for scenes like the local people rioting in front of it. ;) 
 
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One day as my buddy and I were heading down to buff, he suggested we have a change of pace. He said, "how about we go to Brooklyn and check those guys out". I was happy with the Bronx, but I figured what the heck. So we headed to Brooklyn. We knew that some of the hot spots were in Bed-Sty, Brownsville, and Bushwick. So I drove while my buddy checked the map. It was the first time I had been to Brooklyn since my Rescue 2 Rides. That was around 1968 and it was now 1976. I remember that because a lot of firehouses had painted their apparatus doors in honor of the up coming Bicentennial Celebration for July 4, 1976. Some of the rigs had also been painted. I remember the entire cab of one American LaFrance Tiller Ladder being painted red, white, and blue. I think the FDNY was holding a contest for the best looking rig and firehouse doors. A few were even published in a WNYF Magazine.
  Anyway, my buddy and I located a good spot to hang out. It was a McDonald's on Broadway in Brooklyn. Bed-Sty was to the south, Bushwick was to the north and Brownsville was to the east. All busy areas. It didn"t take long for our first hit. It was about 11 AM and a job came in for Evergreen Ave (Bushwick Section). I could see the smoke as we left the lot. Just as we arrived the 28 Battalion transmitted the Second Alarm. This fire was on the top floor of a 4 story row frame building. There were maybe ten 4 story frames all attached by a common cockloft in the entire city block. It was the first time I had ever seen a fire in a row of wood frames. I couldn"t believe how quickly the fire had spread throughout the cockloft, taking the entire block. I remember having a framed picture of it in my living room for a long time. ( Sure lucky to have such an understanding wife ). The entire block was on fire and other friends from the fire service would look at the picture and couldn"t believe that they held it to a Second Alarm. 
  Bushwick certainly saw their share of fire, epically around 1975, 76, and 77. Companies like E271/L124, E277/L112, then Eng 252 (now Sqd 252) sure caught it. And that area was loaded with the row frames. In those days there was no FAST truck or Rac Unit. On a Hot, muggy, summer day, you"d knock down one fire and then get ready for another. I think it was August of 1976 that the FDNY had over 100 Multiple Alarms for the month. At one time I had heard that if a chief went to a Multiple Alarm it was like they were stealing companies that the city needed elsewhere. I certainly have Great Respect for Firefighters today. But the guys that were on the job in those days have to go down as "The Greatest Generation" of Firefighters. The amount of work they caught with very limited resources is overwhelming to say the least. And by no means do I mean to forget those Great FDNY Dispatchers who worked behind the scenes, with no computers, only paper and pencil.
 
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Back in the late 60s and early 70s, the Battalions would go from firehouse to firehouse delivering "the bag" which contained department orders and other important correspondence.  One night Battalion 41 was making the rounds and we read that a new signal (10-38) had been instituted to report, at the time, steam leaks.  In those days, in addition to the firehouses, we also delivered "the bag" to the Brooklyn CO as they were in our response area.  Wouldn't ya know: before we got to the CO, we had a call which was a steam leak.  The aide radioed the preliminary: 10-18 for a 10-38.  There was silence from the dispatcher.  After a few minutes, he asked what the signal was.  Again, the aide merely said: 10-18 for a 10-38.  More silence and then the dispatcher said: Battalion 41, please call the CO.  We were there two minutes later and showed them the department order with the new signal.  We all had a good laugh!!
 
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Back in the 60's and 70's what was the response after the 10-75 was transmitted. I assume the recsue and Div went but what else? What was the Super Pumper sent on and how many Satellites responded with the Super Pumper.
 
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Back then, there was no 10-75.  The signal for a working fire was a 10-30.  There were no special units until the all hands was transmitted.  Fast truck did not exist.  I believe the Super Pumper did not go until a third alarm.
 
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Just to add to the above, yes, I believe the Super Pumper system would respond Citywide on a Third Alarm or Greater. That usually consisted of The Super Pumper Unit, The Super Tender Unit, the Maxi Water Unit (which I believe were all at the quarters of Eng 207/Lad 110 in Brooklyn), plus the nearest Satellite Unit. At that time there were only three Satellite Units. I believe Sat. 1 w/Eng 9, Sat. 2 w/Eng 72 and Sat 3 w/Eng 330. All of the units were also manned. The Maxi Water Unit might have been manned by the boss of the System, because Maxi Water was the one that seemed to always give the Super Pumper Hookup site over the radio. And Maxi Water was a rig similar to the Satellite Units. The Super Pumper hook up site could be blocks away from the fire, but would give the best water supply.
 
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I believe in the 60s the Rescue went on some all hands and sometimes only on the second alarm, depending how close the fire was to their quarters.  There was no all hands BC in those days, just the Deputy.  Brooklyn for example had many more deputies back then: 10th, 11th, 12th, 15th, and for a while the 17th.
 
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The Maxi Water Unit was the rig that replaced the Super Pumper in 1982. If available, the SPS went out on the third, or a second in Lower Manhattan.

Satellites were manned at the time and went out on the 2nd Alarm. I'm not sure when the Satellites went to unmanned status. When I came on the job in 1997, Satellite with the associated Engine went on the 2nd, or an all hands in South Queens and SI. E-207/Maxi went out on the 3rd with another Satellite and its associated Engine. In October of 1998, Maxi Water was reorganized as Satellite 6, and all Satellites went out on the 2nd.
 
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  I think the Satellites and other special units lost their manning during a severe budget crisis sometime around 1976/77. That was right at the peak of the "War Years". At that time they eliminated manning on those units and closed several other companies. That was the time when the Second Sections, Squad Companies etc were all closed. If I remember correctly they closed about 50 companies. They also laid off 200 Firefighters. One guy I know of, who I believe is a Battalion Chief now, got on the job and even got the company he wanted after coming out of the Academy. He then got laid off and later took a job as a city bus driver, until getting hired back by the FDNY about two years later. I"m sure there are a few guys out there that remember that. I believe it was during Mayor Beame"s time.
  Along that same time, instead of sending 3 Engs and 2 Trucks to every pull box or structure assignment, The FDNY decided to send 2 and 2 only, plus the chief. Thats when the signal 10-75 came into play. If the 10-75 was transmitted or the dispatch was receiving numerous calls of the fire, ONLY then would a third due engine respond. This was a time when every available company was needed. It was also around the time that some Engines were being purchased that would be able to mix a chemical with the water. They were called "Rapid Water Engines". Using that chemical referred to as "Slippery Water" a 1 3/4 line could flow as much as a 2 1/2 inch line, thereby reducing the manning required for a 2 1/2. The problem was, it did flow the water, but everything was so slippery that guys were falling down stairways etc. So that finished the "Rapid Water" dream.
 
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Information is from Gus Johnson's Fire Buffs Handbook. Companies that were de-activated: Manhattan- Engines 15, 26, 27, 44, 47, Ladders 8, 9, 10. Bronx- Engine 89, Ladder 53, Sq 5. SI Engines 154 and 167. Brooklyn Engines 205, 212, 218, 232, 269, 278, Squad 3 and 4, Quens- Engine 263, 293, 294,306, 328, and Ladder 171. Marine units were reduced to 5 units.  The Super Pumper ceased to be a seperate unit. The unit was manned by Engine 207. :)
 
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As the FDNY night shift members were arriving to their firehouse on Wednesday July 13, 1977, like most other hot summer nights they knew that it wasn"t a matter of will they catch "A" job, it was; "How Many Jobs". But I"m sure they had no idea of what it would actually be like. As darkness approached, at 9:35 PM the Lights went out. The entire city had lost all electric power. This had happened 12 years earlier in November, 1965. Then the Baby Boom came along 9 months later. But this "Blackout" would be quite different from the November, 1965 one. When the Blackout of 1977 occurred, it was a hot summer night. Everybody was outside. Most stores had already closed except for a few drug stores and package stores. By 10:00 PM the first stores were being broken into and looted. As the night went on, more people joined in and more stores were looted. It was beyond what the NYPD could handle. Then some stores were set on fire. As time went on, more stores were set on fire. Brooklyn and The Bronx were getting hit the hardest. Broadway in Brooklyn, which divides Bed-Sty from Bushwick certainly saw the most fire. In a four block stretch, every single store was burned out. In a stretch of 30 Blocks, at least one store was completely burned out in every block. Also in Brooklyn, Utica Ave and Pitkin Ave streets saw a huge amount of fire activity. In The Bronx, it was Southern Blvd around 163rd St and above, and East Tremont from Webster Ave. to Boston Rd. Of course there were other areas hit too, throughout the city.
  By the time it was over on Friday morning July 15th, the FDNY had 3,900 alarms, and fought 1,037 fires. Of the 3900 alarms, 1,677 never got answered. There were 13 Multiple Alarm Fires, and 40 All Hands. Brooklyn had 119 stores burned out, and The Bronx had 78 in about a 36 hour period.
  Brooklyn had 303 fires, of which 7 were multiples, and 20 were all hands
  Bronx had 307 fires, of which 3 were multiples, and 14 were all hands
  Manhatten had 209 fires, of which 1 was a multiple , and 3 were all hands
  Queens had 134 fires, of which 2 were multiples, and 3 were all hands
  Staten Island had 45 fires
      (It should be noted that all of the above statics were taken from a book called "Blackout Looting" published in 1979)
  I remember riding down there Friday afternoon. The first place I headed for was Broadway in Brooklyn. Several areas were still blocked off from vehicle traffic. The overhead elevated subway line had been reopened after being shut down due to the fires. I could still see some places with a light smoke condition and an engine and ladder still on the scene. The steel scissor gates were ripped off the store fronts. The streets were full of debris. Charred pieces of wood, empty boxes of melted ice cream, meats, and magazines were flowing down the streets and blocking up the storm drains. Flooding became a problem. I then headed to the Bronx where it was the same story. I remember hearing companies asking for help. If an engine on the scene of a fire, asked just for a truck, the dispatcher would say "well if you really need one, we"ll try to get you one".  If a fire went to an all hands you can bet, they had a huge amount of fire. Jobs were getting knocked down using just one engine and one ladder. There was no time to hang around and overhaul. Any overhaul was done with a tower ladder using the stream from the bucket.
  I only saw the "After Effects", and heard some of it on the scanner. I"m hoping that a few friends that actually lived there and remember it will join in. I"m sure you got a few stories about the historic 36 hours to tell. That sure would be great !!!
  And by the way, that Gus Johnson"s Fire Buff"s Handbook is great. If you can find one, in my opinion, its worth picking up.
 
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Even though I am considerably younger that my friend nfd2004, I remember the blackout in 1965.  I was working in a bank at Flatbush and Church Avenues but also assigned as an auxiliary at Engine 248 half a block away.  The bank manager asked each male employee to escort a female employee home in the dark. (Like that would happen in this time).  I told him I would be more useful on duty at the firehouse and he allowed me to leave.  The blackout occurred right at the change of tours, but the day crew was not allowed to go off duty.  The result was, when the alarm bell rang, with the officer and five men from the day tour, plus me, plus the officer and six men of the night tour, no one knew who should respond; there was not enough room on the rig for everyone.  Somehow we worked it out but not everyone was happy.  Some of us went to a nearby store and convinced them all of their food was going to spoil and that we should have it for our dinner.  We spent the night going from call to call, extricating civilians from stalled elevators and subway trains.  It was a beautiful, moonlight night with a full moon.  In spite of the full moon, there were relatively few working fires.

What a night!  As I remember, the power came back on in Flatbush around 10 PM.
 

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According to Jonathan Mahler's book, The Bronx is Burning, game two of the 1977 World Series vs the Kansas City Royals began with smoke over Yankee Stadium.

'An hour before the first pitch, a fire started in Public School 3, an abandoned elementary school a few blocks west of the ballpark.'

As game coverage began, an overhead shoot from a helicopter showed the fire with Howard Cosell stating- "There it is ladies and gentlemen, the Bronx is burning."
 
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  I am glad these stories are coming out. For me, it was memories of buffing the busiest and best Fire Dept in the world. It"s hard to imagine that anything like those busy War Years will ever happen again. These stories will preserve what happened and I hope the younger buffs and firefighters read these and realize just what "The Greatest Generation Firefighters" did during those busy years, in the busiet fire dept in the world.
  On a side note, I think my friend "johnd248" is counting his age backwards, or his mind is starting to slip. He"s been older than me last I knew. Poor guy, but I still love him. We were members of the same dept 35-40 years ago, when I was 100lbs lighter.
 
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NFD2004, if I'm not mistaken Rapid Water was originally called Slippery Water and the name was changed due the reason you stated about guys slipping in the water.
 
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