Senators from both parties blast fire truck builders

[Capttomo]

'Nobody can get their equipment!' Senators from both sides explode at fire-truck giants' alleged price-gouging scheme | Blaze Media

Limited competition among 3 main manufacturers has led to accusations of anti-trust law violations.

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[DaveReinstein]

'Nobody can get their equipment!' Senators from both sides explode at fire-truck giants' alleged price-gouging scheme | Blaze Media

Limited competition among 3 main manufacturers has led to accusations of anti-trust law violations.

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The hearing is on YouTube. It’s a few hours but worth watching the representative of REV squirm

 

[OldGoat]

Seagrave, Stuphen, E-One? Are they part of this?

 

[entropychaser]

Did any Senators think to ask about when Mack is gonna start making fire trucks again?

 

[Capttomo]

Seagrave, Stuphen, E-One? Are they part of this

Seagrave and sutphen not at this time. Eone is one of the worst offenders along with the other two under investigation: Pierce and Rosenbauer

 

[jlab]

Am I correct in thinking that since Seagrave doesn't seem to be part of the monopoly, FDNY has been insulated from the impact ? What about Ferrara ?

 

[grumpy grizzly]

Did any Senators think to ask about when Mack is gonna start making fire trucks again?

How long would it take to set up production lines? And what would the cost be?

 

[raybrag]

How long would it take to set up production lines? And what would the cost be?

Trouble is, Mack isn't Mack any more. After a disastrous time under Renault, the company was bought out by Volvo in 2001. Sooooo . . . if you want Volvo fire engines with a bulldog on them, that's what you would get. Ask any construction guy . . . Mack trucks don't run or last or are "built like a Mack truck" any more. They'd rather have a Freightliner or Peterbilt.

 

[grumpy grizzly]

Trouble is, Mack isn't Mack any more. After a disastrous time under Renault, the company was bought out by Volvo in 2001. Sooooo . . . if you want Volvo fire engines with a bulldog on them, that's what you would get. Ask any construction guy . . . Mack trucks don't run or last or are "built like a Mack truck" any more. They'd rather have a Freightliner or Peterbilt.

I do not think "Mack" or whomever would make the warranty stipulation with FDNY like in the old days.

 

[1261Truckie]

Am I correct in thinking that since Seagrave doesn't seem to be part of the monopoly, FDNY has been insulated from the impact ? What about Ferrara ?

Isn't Ferrara part of the REV group?

 

[Capttomo]

I was told something about 20 years ago that rings true more than ever. The entire American fire service makes up a very small part of truck sales. How many engines, ladders, and heavy rescues are built in total each year Maybe 5000 or 6000? How many class 8 trucks are sold each year 50,000 to 70,000? How many box trucks does Ryder and Penske buy each year? UPS, Fed X, how many garbage trucks. And the fire trucks are highly customized and take much longer to build. So the fire service has niche builders who charge a premium price to accommodate the customization and the warranty work since we beat the hell out of our rigs. The rest of the truck builders couldn’t care less about the fire service market.

 

[Capttomo]

Isn't Ferrara part of the REV group?

Yes Ferrara now part of REV or whatever they call themselves now.

 

[DaveReinstein]

Isn't Ferrara part of the REV group?

Yes

 

[CFDMarshal]

Am I correct in thinking that since Seagrave doesn't seem to be part of the monopoly, FDNY has been insulated from the impact ? What about Ferrara ?

The old Ferrara is part of the REV collective. My opinion is most of the scrutiny is on the companies acquired by private equity. All of them have been under pressure due to the supply of parts and such. It doesn't take a genius to see that they have manipulated the process to drive up cost. I remember when it took a year to get a rig because they were built by craftsman. It now takes 2-4 years because they are built by accountants!

 

[airbusboeing]

I belive the 1993 segrave engines were a 70 something unit order and it was all delivered in bassicly a year so average one new rig delivered every 6 to 7 days

 

[Capttomo]

The old Ferrara is part of the REV collective. My opinion is most of the scrutiny is on the companies acquired by private equity. All of them have been under pressure due to the supply of parts and such. It doesn't take a genius to see that they have manipulated the process to drive up cost. I remember when it took a year to get a rig because they were built by craftsman. It now takes 2-4 years because they are built by accountants!

Yes Exactly.