12/20/23 Queens 5th Alarm Box 7254

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Way back The FDNY had the Fire Patrol if we remember those disbanded units. I believe each borough had one. These units would help mitigate water damage to the floors below using tarps canvas back then i believe. Redirect water using Dikes.
 
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Says in a post who each car is. Also can be found in the FAQ section. Which was updated a few months ago
 
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Maybe so they could say like "oh yea we contained this fully involved warehouse with whatever burning with only a 5th alarm" Probably looks better on the department.
Who wants to take a guess that they only did that cause of the 8-8?
 
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Way back The FDNY had the Fire Patrol if we remember those disbanded units. I believe each borough had one. These units would help mitigate water damage to the floors below using tarps canvas back then i believe. Redirect water using Dikes.
Although they were used in residential occupancies from time to time, the Fire Patrol was primarily used in commercial occupancies.
And while they operated under FDNY command, they were not part of the Department but were funded by the New York Board of Fire Underwriters to reduce insurance claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Fire_Patrol
 
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A Fire such as this requiring such extinguishing effort & water would generally damage apts down to the lowest level & possibly heating units in the cellar.....time frame to get residents back in the bldg would vary.....aside from water damage below another important consideration during the actual FD operation is the possibility of burning embers dropping down in old dumbwaiter shafts....pipe chases...& in vertical steel channel rails ......sometime causing a secondary Fire on a lower floor ......also carbon monoxide in a serious quantity can & has travelled DOWN thru these avenues....CO is slightly lighter than air but pressure from a serious expanding Fire can force it DOWN a good distance if conditions are right.
Thanks Chief, Back during the War Years in what had to be a wild guess, someone observed that the average OMD in the Bronx had about 100 fires before it was finally abandoned. The ability to damage the entire building was just one more good reason an arsonist would torch the top floor.

One of the old heads in Rescue pointed out to me the gangs that would follow the HUD contractors who were rehabbing burned out tenements in the South Bronx. As soon as a building was done, they'd swoop in and strip out all the new "goodies".
 
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Cause of the Fire from the FDNY Twitter:

"FDNY Fire Marshals have determined the fire at 43-09 47 Ave. in Qns started in Apt. 6M. A contractor was using a torch to heat lead paint off a metal closet door frame in the vacant apartment. The worker noticed smoke coming from the door frame.
The worker removed plaster around the door frame, saw small flames on the wood studs. Using a bucket of water, he attempted to extinguish it. A short time later, E-325 Captain arrived & asked about a fire, was shown the charred wood studs.
The Captain realized the fire had extended further into the walls and ordered the worker to leave. Shortly, the fire was reported to be in the cockloft, spreading across the roof."
 
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And 40 years ago we didn't wear bunker gear and didn't carry all the extra equipment that the troops do today. Tower ladders were still relatively new and we were still finding out what they could do and what advantages they presented.
didnt need to wear your mask either for all fires
 
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You’re not wrong.

But keep in mind the brothers aren’t working two 24’s a week anymore. Both the average fireman and boss perform around 500 hours or more of MSOT/PCOT a year now - citywide.

Guys are tired and need relief quicker.

And top floor jobs in multiple wing H types seem to be the culprit for the need for fresh bodies.

As for exterior operations early, that seems to be what the job has been pushing lately. Guys at the top of the food chain with 30 plus years on.
I agree but if anything, guys were more tired and needed relief quicker years ago, not in today's world. Years ago, with more fires, no/little to no use of the SCBA, and nearly not as many companies 10-84 compared to today, guys were definitely more tired back then. They were doing actual 'work', and yet the job still got done. Just something to think about.
 
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In Liverpool we had an organisation called the "Salvsge Corps"

Liverpool Salvage Corps was a service in Liverpool, England, founded and maintained by fire insurers, whose aim was to reduce the loss and damage caused by fires, to help mitigate the effects of fire and of fire-fighting and to salvage both premises and goods affected by fire. It was founded in 1842 and operated until April 1984, when its functions were transferred to the Merseyside Fire Brigade. Similar salvage corps also operated in London and Glasgow.
 

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I agree but if anything, guys were more tired and needed relief quicker years ago, not in today's world. Years ago, with more fires, no/little to no use of the SCBA, and nearly not as many companies 10-84 compared to today, guys were definitely more tired back then. They were doing actual 'work', and yet the job still got done. Just something to think about.
The job still gets done on an every day basis now, discussing the few times a month TLs have to be used to attempt to make a point isnt a valid comparison. More companies SHOULD be called. The took the 5th man, theyve held company closings over our heads since they last closed them on 03, they ignored us for 3 years when thousands of guys stepped up and manned houses that in all reality shouldnt have happened, only to shit on us now due to a manpower shortage we didnt create. Every “generation” has had its issues to deal with with the city, with shitty rigs, layoffs, duties thrust on us with no or improper compensation….implying an older generation did it better (which is true on many levels) without realizing that doing more with less back then has the potential to hurt our union now isnt being fair to either generation.
 
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News media still reporting that a member was seriously injured yesterday at this job. Any confirmation of that? Any idea on condition of member. If true hoping for a full and speedy recovery ?
 
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Per ladder 121’s Facebook page, they went to assist with the 5th alarm. (They went special called for the 95 footer on the watch line.)
 
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The job still gets done on an every day basis now, discussing the few times a month TLs have to be used to attempt to make a point isnt a valid comparison. More companies SHOULD be called. The took the 5th man, theyve held company closings over our heads since they last closed them on 03, they ignored us for 3 years when thousands of guys stepped up and manned houses that in all reality shouldnt have happened, only to shit on us now due to a manpower shortage we didnt create. Every “generation” has had its issues to deal with with the city, with shitty rigs, layoffs, duties thrust on us with no or improper compensation….implying an older generation did it better without realizing that doing more with less back then has the potential to hurt our union now isnt being fair to either generation.
Outstanding post ! Well stated and so true. Stay safe
 
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