12/22/22 Staten Island 10-75 Box 8001

[raybrag]

From the FDNY Facebook page:

"New York City Fire Department (FDNY)

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“Shortly after 1700, we received a 9-1-1 call reporting a fire in the engine room of one of the Staten Island Ferries. A collaborative effort was underway with the FDNY, NYPD and other stakeholders that responded out there. The crew had already put CO2 into the engine hold as would be the policy to do," said Deputy Assistant Chief Frank Leeb. "Our main objective was to secure the vessel and to start getting the passengers offloaded onto other boats. A decision was made to use other ferries to offload the patients, as that was a safer alternative than putting them on to fire or police boats. At that point we had a total of five injuries. Three people were transported to the hospital, all with minor injuries. There were approximately 868 people on the on board and then an additional 16 crew members. At this point, the fire is under control. ""

 

[Extra One & One]

Just noticed this
The crew of the vessel was very quick to act and they acted appropriately by notifying the Coast Guard of an emergency on board,” said FDNY Assistant Deputy Chief Frank Leeb during a press conference in St. George

The only Car listed on rundown is Car 4 Chief of Operations, is Chief Leeb the new Chief of Operations?

I doubt it for two reasons:
1) On 12/24, Chief Leeb is being transferred from Training to Chief of Safety as per the D.O.
2) The Chief of Operations, Car 4, will always hold the rank of Assistant Chief and not Deputy Assistant Chief.

 

[entropychaser]

10-46 has been used pretty frequently for marine incidents (at least recently).

At the 2:40 mark in this video you can hear Battalion 10 state that the marine units gave a 10-46 Code 2.

Of course. The game changer is 10-46 Code 1

 

[Signal73]

Crews making entry to the vessel today at 1 Richmond Road

E-220,155,166 Act. 152,162 Act. 160
L-87,79,168,109(Fast)
B-33,32 Act. 21
R-5
Sq-8
Ma-9
MB
CTU
HM-1
HMB
RB,SB
Car-11C

 

[jlab]

12/23/2022 12:21 hrs According to SI Dispatch an attempt is being made to open the engine room door today. Rescue 5, Squad 8 and other companies are joining Batt 33 at the Ferry Terminal.

 

[alycidon]

I doubt it for two reasons:
1) On 12/24, Chief Leeb is being transferred from Training to Chief of Safety as per the D.O.
2) The Chief of Operations, Car 4, will always hold the rank of Assistant Chief and not Deputy Assistant Chief.

He is Car12

 

[Skyler Fire]

He is Car12

Not until 0900 hours

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

12/23/2022 12:21 hrs According to SI Dispatch an attempt is being made to open the engine room door today. Rescue 5, Squad 8 and other companies are joining Batt 33 at the Ferry Terminal.

Was the fire burning or smoldering all night long?

 

[FDNY Response Videos]

Was the fire burning or smoldering all night long?

Believe policy is to let the boat fire suppression system deal with it and then seal it in for ~24 hours. Open it up and hope that it’s knocked down.

From Ret Div 7 Chief Jonas’ newsletter:

When a fire occurs on a ship, isolate and confine the fire. Utilize the ship’s fire extinguishing systems, such as Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Temperatures inside the hold that is on fire should be monitored. Refrain from opening the hold for 24 hours after the hole is sealed and CO2 is applied.

Page 18

http://www.fdnysbravest.com/Div7NewsletterNov2017.pdf

 

[jlab]

Is this true : New York Harbor is very shallow so that if a Ferry began to take on water and sink most of the superstructure would remain above the waterline ?

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

Is this true : New York Harbor is very shallow so that if a Ferry began to take on water and sink most of the superstructure would remain above the waterline ?

It depends I think. Depth varies depending where you are in the harbor. Depths range from 10’-100’ so I’m sure if something sank it’d be submerged.

the Bay Ridge Channel where the boat was apparently anchored is approx. 40-50’ deep according to depth charts.

under the VN bridge in the Ambrose Channel it’s much deeper for cargo ships to pass.

 

[Atlas]

The FDNY radio code 10-46 is relative a new signal. It was established in June of 2020 and became affected on the 11 of June.

 

[entropychaser]

The FDNY radio code 10-46 is relative a new signal. It was established in June of 2020 and became affected on the 11 of June.

Bureaucrats and computers have an unlimited desire for more paperwork, radio signals and megadata to be gathered. This is the foundation for machine learning and artificial intelligence. Human thinking will become an unnecessary relic of the past. This is why when you go to the doctor, they are looking at their computer; not you.

 

[alycidon]

Not until 0900 hours

Very true, forgot about that. Car 8 attended early any identity yet. I watch the press interview on the TV with the COD with various Chiefs standing behind him presume one was SI Borough Commander.

 

[dan]

There are several Staff Chief moves....some have been announced and some have not.....and some Chiefs have been in their new roles for several weeks already.....things are very dynamic as new administrations are assuming the helm.....

 

[alycidon]

There are several Staff Chief moves....some have been announced and some have not.....and some Chiefs have been in their new roles for several weeks already.....things are very dynamic as new administrations are assuming the helm.....

Thanks Dan was aware of thar. All the est for Christmas

 

[t123ken]

"Probably:
E155, E153, E156WRU, E152
L078, T077, T079F
RS05, SQ01
BC. 22, 21
Div. 8
E159T SAT5"

For this incident what do Engine 156 as a Water Resource Unit and Engine 159 and the Satellite do since the incident is in mid-stream?

 

[Extra One & One]

"Probably:
E155, E153, E156WRU, E152
L078, T077, T079F
RS05, SQ01
BC. 22, 21
Div. 8
E159T SAT5"

For this incident what do Engine 156 as a Water Resource Unit and Engine 159 and the Satellite do since the incident is in mid-stream?

The WRU stands for Water Rescue Unit. Certain units (engines & ladders) are designated as water rescue units. They carry life rings, other flotation devices, a surf board, a long rope (I believe 600 feet) and the members enter the water and try to rescue people on the surface near the shore. Keep in mind, dispatchers can’t know how far a person or boat is from land. A WRU is assigned to water rescue incidents.

I assume they transmitted the All-Hands for this box, as they were going to have land units board a ferry to go out and fight the fire if necessary and search below deck with air packs on. On Staten Island, the All-Hands gets the Satellite per dispatch policy. The IC can turn them around if they want, or they can have them continue in if they feel there will be a need for extra personnel to perform CFR work.

It is a huge time-saver and frees up the radio when they dispatch what is listed and then the IC can make adjustments. Nothing more of a waste of time and radio traffic if dispatch starts asking if they need this or that. Confusion inevitably occurs. Think of the major technical response. If that’s what is called for by the type of the call, (person fell 20 feet into a pit), then the entire major technical response is dispatched. Chances are they won’t need 2 rescues, 2 squads, SOC support ladder, Haz-Tech engine, Haz Mat 1 plus others for a guy in a 20 foot hole. When the first unit/chief arrives they can knock it down to a 10-18 or adjust the assignment as needed. The idea behind sending all, is that if a building collapses then you might need everything plus more. If dispatchers were left to guess what they may need, it would be inconsistent, a lot of radio traffic, confusion and something may get missed.

FDNY is very good with consistency, which is really important for resource allocation and members’ safety. Whether a small bungalow on Staten Island or a 3-story occupied MD up in the Bronx, a 10-75 gets the same response. A 10-76 & 10-77 get the same response anywhere in the city. A covering battalion or deputy knows what will arrive when those signals are transmitted anywhere in New York City.

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

E156 changed to CFR once they got 10-84