2/17/23 Staten Island 4th Alarm 10-60/10-66 Box 3592

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Pappy155

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UnitWithTheUrgent said:
Address: 88 Shotwell Ave. off Woodrow Road

Fire on the first floor of a 3 story 20x40 PD with extension into the exposure

Phone Alarm - Reporting fire in a PD - 13:28

SI to E-164 & TL-87: Getting multiple addresses - 13:29

TL-87: 10-75 - 2½ story peaked roof attached - 13:30

L-82 FAST

B-23: E-162 is involved in an MVA - Assign another engine to replace them (E-166) - 13:32

B-23: Extra E&T (E-151 & L-83) - 13:34

B-23: All Hands - Fire on the first floor - 2 L/S, 1 L/O - DWH - 13:37

B-23: Transmit a 2nd Alarm - Extension to 84 Shotwell Ave - 13:38

B-40 FF, B-33 RUL, B-41 Safety

B-23: We need EMS forthwith for a member down - 13:39

B-23: The injured member is on a stretcher - We just had another Mayday, we're working to get them out - 13:42

D-8: Special call an additional Squad (SQ-1) - 13:43

C-8: Start out another Rescue (R-2) - 13:44

B-23: Transmit a 3rd Alarm - 13:45

B-42 (act. 23) FF, B-43 Staging

D-8: Assign another FAST truck (TL-114 act. 85) - 13:46

D-8: Urgent - Transmit a 10-60 & 10-66 (4th Alarm) - We have a major collapse & members unaccounted for - 13:48

D-8: We have (1) FF being removed, unsure of his status - 13:52

D-8: Roll call has been conducted - All members are accounted for (mixer off message) - 13:55

D-8: Special call a BC to respond to the Hospital (B-21) -13:57

D-8: Special call an engine for CFR (E-241 act. 151) - 13:58

Fallback step 3 has been implemented in the borough - 14:08

D-8: 5 L/S/O - AVFKD - DWH - 14:11

D-8: We had a collapse of a 1 story in the rear - DWH - 14:14

D-8: Searches are delayed due to debris - All additional special units can go 10-8 - DWH - 14:21

FC: Still hitting pockets of fire - PWH - 14:45

FC: Special call 2 trucks (TL-157 act. 87 & 172 act. 83) - 14:53

FC: Special call 2 trucks (L-2 act. 82 & TL-21 act. 85) - 15:09

Maybe:
E-164, 168, 165, 166, 151 s/c
L-87, 84, 82F, 83 s/c, 85
B-23, 22
R-5
SQ-8
D-8
RAC-5
E-159 w/ Sat. 5

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-163, 160, 158
L-86
B-40, 33R, 41S
R-2 s/c
SQ-1 s/c
FC, SB, RB, TSU-2, RM, CTU
Car-8

3rd Alarm Maybe:
E-157, 161, 156, 152
L-79, 80, 114F (act. 85) s/c
B-42 (act. 23), 43 Staging
MSU
E-246 Communications
RAC-1
Car-11, 12

4th Alarm 10-66 & 10-60 Maybe:
E-242, 282, 243, 201, 228, 253, 247, 241C (act. 151) s/c
L-79, 81, 77, 157 (act. 87) s/c, 172 (act. 82) s/c, 2 (act. 82) s/c, 21 (act. 85) s/c
B-48, 31 FAST Group Supervisor, 38 FF Locater, 57
R-1
SQ-252
L-132 SOC Support
E-243 (act. 160) w/ CR-5, 227 w/ CR-2
K9-1, K9 Supervisor
HM-1, HMB, E-44 HTU
Car-12c, 24, 4, 22c, 23d, 22g, 11b

Relocations:
E-226 to E-156
E-241 to E-151
E-330 to E-151
E-279 to E-164
E-243 to E-160
E-205 to E-151
E-234 to E-201
E-216 to E-282
E-290 to E-253
E-254 to E-165
E-310 to E-254
E-6 to E-160
E-44 to E-152
E-303 to E-330
E-276 to E-168
E-5 to E-158
E-23 to E-155
E-34 to E-167
E-281 to E-242
E-309 to E-153
E-21 to E-159
E-33 to E-157
L-172 to L-83
L-114 to L-85
L-21 to L-85
L-157 to L-87
L-15 to L-81
L-131 to L-79
L-146 to L-131
L-1 to L-84
L-20 to L-77
L-13 to L-86
L-138 to L-80
L-125 to L-76
L-2 to L-82
E-153 to SQ-8
SQ-41 to R-5
SQ-288 to R-2
B-42 to B-23
B-7 to B-23
32 to B-22
B-51 to B-41
B-1 to B-57
B-37 to B-42
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not to be a rumor mill but Staten Island City Councilor Joe Borelli tweeted that preliminary reports are that none of the injuries are life-threatening. It also says 3 were transported in critical condition.
 
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UnitWithTheUrgent said:
Address: 88 Shotwell Ave. off Woodrow Road

Fire on the first floor of a 3 story 20x40 PD with extension into the exposure

Phone Alarm - Reporting fire in a PD - 13:28

SI to E-164 & TL-87: Getting multiple addresses - 13:29

TL-87: 10-75 - 2½ story peaked roof attached - 13:30

L-82 FAST

B-23: E-162 is involved in an MVA - Assign another engine to replace them (E-166) - 13:32

B-23: Extra E&T (E-151 & L-83) - 13:34

B-23: All Hands - Fire on the first floor - 2 L/S, 1 L/O - DWH - 13:37

B-23: Transmit a 2nd Alarm - Extension to 84 Shotwell Ave - 13:38

B-40 FF, B-33 RUL, B-41 Safety

B-23: We need EMS forthwith for a member down - 13:39

B-23: The injured member is on a stretcher - We just had another Mayday, we're working to get them out - 13:42

D-8: Special call an additional Squad (SQ-1) - 13:43

C-8: Start out another Rescue (R-2) - 13:44

B-23: Transmit a 3rd Alarm - 13:45

B-42 (act. 23) FF, B-43 Staging

D-8: Assign another FAST truck (TL-114 act. 85) - 13:46

D-8: Urgent - Transmit a 10-60 & 10-66 (4th Alarm) - We have a major collapse & members unaccounted for - 13:48

D-8: We have (1) FF being removed, unsure of his status - 13:52

D-8: Roll call has been conducted - All members are accounted for (mixer off message) - 13:55

D-8: Special call a BC to respond to the Hospital (B-21) -13:57

D-8: Special call an engine for CFR (E-241 act. 151) - 13:58

Fallback step 3 has been implemented in the borough - 14:08

D-8: 5 L/S/O - AVFKD - DWH - 14:11

D-8: We had a collapse of a 1 story in the rear - DWH - 14:14

D-8: Searches are delayed due to debris - All additional special units can go 10-8 - DWH - 14:21

FC: Still hitting pockets of fire - PWH - 14:45

FC: Special call 2 trucks (TL-157 act. 87 & 172 act. 83) - 14:53

FC: Special call 2 trucks (L-2 act. 82 & TL-21 act. 85) - 15:09

Maybe:
E-164, 168, 165, 166, 151 s/c
L-87, 84, 82F, 83 s/c, 85
B-23, 22
R-5
SQ-8
D-8
RAC-5
E-159 w/ Sat. 5

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-163, 160, 158
L-86
B-40, 33R, 41S
R-2 s/c
SQ-1 s/c
FC, SB, RB, TSU-2, RM, CTU
Car-8

3rd Alarm Maybe:
E-157, 161, 156, 152
L-79, 80, 114F (act. 85) s/c
B-42 (act. 23), 43 Staging
MSU
E-246 Communications
RAC-1
Car-11, 12

4th Alarm 10-66 & 10-60 Maybe:
E-242, 282, 243, 201, 228, 253, 247, 241C (act. 151) s/c
L-79, 81, 77, 157 (act. 87) s/c, 172 (act. 82) s/c, 2 (act. 82) s/c, 21 (act. 85) s/c
B-48, 31 FAST Group Supervisor, 38 FF Locater, 57
R-1
SQ-252
L-132 SOC Support
E-243 (act. 160) w/ CR-5, 227 w/ CR-2
K9-1, K9 Supervisor
HM-1, HMB, E-44 HTU
Car-12c, 24, 4, 22c, 23d, 22g, 11b

Relocations:
E-226 to E-156
E-241 to E-151
E-330 to E-151
E-279 to E-164
E-243 to E-160
E-205 to E-151
E-234 to E-201
E-216 to E-282
E-290 to E-253
E-254 to E-165
E-310 to E-254
E-6 to E-160
E-44 to E-152
E-303 to E-330
E-276 to E-168
E-5 to E-158
E-23 to E-155
E-34 to E-167
E-281 to E-242
E-309 to E-153
E-21 to E-159
E-33 to E-157
L-172 to L-83
L-114 to L-85
L-21 to L-85
L-157 to L-87
L-15 to L-81
L-131 to L-79
L-146 to L-131
L-1 to L-84
L-20 to L-77
L-13 to L-86
L-138 to L-80
L-125 to L-76
L-2 to L-82
E-153 to SQ-8
SQ-41 to R-5
SQ-288 to R-2
B-42 to B-23
B-7 to B-23
32 to B-22
B-51 to B-41
B-1 to B-57
B-37 to B-42
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Every engine company in the boro on this call except 153 (relocated to SQ8) 155 and 167. 167 should have been first due on this box.
I don't see 76 truck assigned, but they were on scene.
No room on the fire street, so
 
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Hopefully the member recover quickly and from what I read the residents and their pet got out. Fortunately it happened during the day so there's less chance of people sleeping and not being aware of the fire. God bless.
 
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Glad All members our out, sad that 3 of the Firefighter Injuries are Critical. I pray that with good care they will be alright. After the Life Hazard has been successfully delt with the firefighters become the "Life Hazard." In advanced fires in modern buildings the fire loading is such that, the short use of an Aggressive Outside Attack, must be considered. What the Chicago Fire dept. calls "Resetting the Fire" that may, allow reentry if safe, for a renewed Interior attack.
There exists the ":20 Minute Rule." In short, the ":20 Minute Rule" states if substantial progress in not being made in the fire attack in, :20 minutes, in an advanced fire in a Non fireproof building, then one of the following "R's" Must take place or be considered. Reassess, Reinforce, Reposition, Redeploy, OR Remove, Retreat members from the building. This is not a hard and fast rule, but a consideration if progress is not being made in the fire attack. The time may be < less than :20 minutes in a building with light weight construction., OR a building that has light weight roof or floor trusses or other light weight building components. One thing for sure if we have been operating for :20 minutes the fire in fact was burning for a time before we ever got there. It may have been burning for more than, :20 minutes before we even got there.
My care and love, goes out to our brothers and sisters in this difficult time for all of FDNY.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
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According to the press conference

He mentioned companies but I’ll refrain

1st Guy missed what happen
2nd Had to bail from the 2nd floor balcony because the windows gave out pushed the fire quickly as we know
3rd guy pipe man knew what happen was pushing hard to get a knock and something fell and ripped his mask off and he took in a lot of smoke
 
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Seems like this fire was similiar to the Lorraine Ave. fire a few days ago except more intense. Both occurred in attached structures with fire walls and had intense fire in the rear of the fire buildings when the fires were discovered.

Speaking at the Press Conference COD Hodgens indicated that wind was a factor blowing the fire back into the fire building onto the ff's working inside. Both buildings had a setback and the fire began between both buildings. Decks and outbuildings, are the bane of Staten Island which allow fires to grow and spread overcoming the fire wall defenses which assume that a fire will only spread to the sides of buildings.
 
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