Yes both Ladders 27 & 59 last operated 1980 seagrave tillers
New FDNY Tillers
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Add L31 who also had a tiller
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Not specifically the Location but 229/146's Block backs up with traffic often.I think I know the answer but does the city consider locations of Firehouses in choosing response and apparatus.
For example E-246=L169 quarters, when I was there all the responses had to go down 11th (the wrong way) since making a left hand turn out of Quarters was not possible. In fact the truck had to take the left hand bay just to get out. One of the worse locations for a Firehouse, blocked by Belt Pkwy north and 12th St overpass on the east. Plus on a small one way street and middle of the block. The newTiller should help. Any other houses that are located as bad.
They were over to a tower ladder in 1973 though
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Let's stop for a few minutes & think this out.
1. Prior to 1964 ALL Fdny truck Co's in 1964 were tillers. In '64' Ladder 1 received the first tower ladder.
2. The list that I added to this website was from 1977. So with that in mind, ladders 27 & 59 all ready had
rear mounts. So they lost their tillers before 77.
3. The answer to the question can be found in FAJ's books FDNY ladder apparatus where it list when Tower
Ladders and rear mounts were assigned during the late 60's & prior to 1977.
when Ladder 59 was organized in 1972 they had a rear mount and they were quartered with Engine 85 . 59 moved in with 43 Engine in April 1978 and early 1981 received a1980 seagrave tiller . Ladder 27 had a tiller up to 1974 and went back to a tiller in 1981 also
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That brings up a good question. Leaving the Tower Ladders out of the equation, should the FDNY remained all tillers?
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Nah, they take up too much space. Imagine two tillers first due in tight streets like Riverdale. Good grief
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That's exactly what was going on in
Forest Hills Garden back in the day. Most of those side streets off Ascan Ave around Greenway Terr ect are very difficult with a Engine no less a rearmount, but this area had H & L 151 and H & L 143. L 143 is still 2nd due truck with there tiller, of course subject to change in the future...lol
Forest Hills Garden back in the day. Most of those side streets off Ascan Ave around Greenway Terr ect are very difficult with a Engine no less a rearmount, but this area had H & L 151 and H & L 143. L 143 is still 2nd due truck with there tiller, of course subject to change in the future...lol
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Most definitely Tillers should have stayed.
At one time only tillers responded to Riverdale. Ladder 33 was the closest Tower Ladder. 52 had one of the last wooden ladders in the city.
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So with the new reality of city streets, particularly those in Manhattan and Brooklyn cores being increasingly subdivided and blocked out for bus/bike lanes, it would seem Tillers are prime for a resurgence no?
It already sounds hard enough for the units with 95ft towers to leave quarters, let alone navigate the streets
It already sounds hard enough for the units with 95ft towers to leave quarters, let alone navigate the streets
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No. Fire truck can park anywhere lol
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And ironically then, a city like Boston with all its congestion and narrow streets is all rear mounts. BFD brought a tiller from one of the nearby towns for a test to two houses, Ladder 1 @ E8 and Ladder 24 @ E4 and the apparatus would not fit.
Interesting how Baltimore, Philadelphia and DC run TDAs almost exclusively still
