Progress Reports update

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On progress reports or transmission of higher alarm the Incident Commanders name or who is giving the report must be said over the air.

For example…

Division 3 to Manhattan ; by orders of Deputy Chief “Name” special call 2 trucks

Battalion 18 to the Bronx ; by orders of Acting Battalion Chief “Name” transmit the 2nd Alarm

Division 14 to Queens ; we are under control by orders of Acting Deputy Chief “Name”
 
Does anybody know what the logic behind this is? Not looking for guesses - I'm looking to know if anybody knows the actual reason for the change. The change seems fine but I am curious what the difference is if someone says Squad 99 to Manhattan transmit a second alarm versus Squad 99 to Manhattan, by orders of SkylerFire, transmit a second alarm. I assume if they're changing this they have good reason to do so I just can't figure out what it would be.
 
HFN01 said:
Does anybody know what the logic behind this is? Not looking for guesses - I'm looking to know if anybody knows the actual reason for the change. The change seems fine but I am curious what the difference is if someone says Squad 99 to Manhattan transmit a second alarm versus Squad 99 to Manhattan, by orders of SkylerFire, transmit a second alarm. I assume if they're changing this they have good reason to do so I just can't figure out what it would be.
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Staff wants to know who is making the calls. And progress reports
 
Skyler Fire said:
Staff wants to know who is making the calls. And progress reports
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Ok but staff clearly would have access to a daily riding list of which chiefs are in which seats, no? Or is it about saving them the step of looking that up?
 
HFN01 said:
Ok but staff clearly would have access to a daily riding list of which chiefs are in which seats, no? Or is it about saving them the step of looking that up?
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No idea. Thats what operations wants. I believe it’s more about who is calling the shots.
 
Many years ago well into the '60s when the Dept radio was used to transmi 9-2s many Old Officers still continued to add their name when transmitting a 9-2 over the Radio......"Box xxx 10-92 by oders of LT xxxxx ENG*xxx. ......anyone listening to the Dept Radio often got to know the names of many Busy Company Officers without ever meeting them.......also in Progress Reports back then the BN*FF would end the Report with " The chief is XXXX " ....we always used to joke that it would be funny if a chief had a name like "shitting" or something like that....."the Chief is shitting" .
 
68jk09 said:
Many years ago well into the '60s when the Dept radio was used to transmi 9-2s many Old Officers still continued to add their name when transmitting a 9-2 over the Radio......"Box xxx 10-92 by oders of LT xxxxx ENG*xxx. ......anyone listening to the Dept Radio often got to know the names of many Busy Company Officers without ever meeting them.......also in Progress Reports back then the BN*FF would end the Report with " The chief is XXXX " ....we always used to joke that it would be funny if a chief had a name like "shitting" or something like that....."the Chief is shitting" .
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Not the only reason for humor for any poor SOB whose name was Shitting. :poop::poop::poop:
 
Yes, the truth is this procedure has been around since the 1970's. It is always nicer to know who ordered what. Not everyone knows who is working in a particular unit that is asking for the multiple alarm or other need for help. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
captaindewey50267021@gm said:
Yes, the truth is this procedure has been around since the 1970's. It is always nicer to know who ordered what. Not everyone knows who is working in a particular unit that is asking for the multiple alarm or other need for help. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
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You get the requesting chief's name for additional alarms in Boston. Chicago you get the radio signature such as 2-2-1 or his title Deputy District 1.
 
Here in the UK, it's standard practice to name the Incident Commander.

So, for example if there were 3 pumps (engines) at an incident in Edinburgh and the IC wanted 3 more pumps plus a Turntable Ladder (Rearmount truck), the assistance message would be:
"Hello ZF, from Station Officer (Name) at (Address), make pumps 6, Turntable Ladder required, over."
 
I had visited the London Fire Brigade when I was there a few years ago, at a Brigade station not too far from the Tower of London. I was warmly welcomed and spent some pleasant time talking about the Fire Service in London Vs. FDNY. Truth be told we both have something to learn from each other. I was honored with a book about the "Kings Cross London 'Tube' Underground Station fire" which was well written and opened my mind to the special problems in fighting fires in any inclined area. The brotherhood of firefighters is alive and well on both sides of the Atlantic.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
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FIRE DEPARTMENT • CITY OF NEW YORK

Department Order No. 97

July 30, 2026

2.1 COMMUNICATIONS MANUAL CHAPTER 10

Communications Manual, Chapter 10 titled Preliminary and Progress Reports dated February 15, 2011, is

amended as follows:

Under: Section 10.4.2 Insert Note to Read:

Note: At 10-75 or greater alarms, preliminary and progress reports shall also include the Incident Commander’s

name, rank, and unit including whether the member is serving in an acting capacity.

Example: “By Orders of Battalion Chief Jones, Battalion 99” or “By Orders of Acting Battalion Chief

Johnson, Battalion 99.”

“By Orders of Deputy Chief Smith, Division 99” or “By Orders of Acting Deputy Chief Adams, Division 99.”

Insert: New section 10.5.5 to read:

10.5.5 All exposures shall be identified. "Unknown" shall not be used for any exposure.

Affected pages 3-6 (Rev. 07/30/26) reflecting this change has been issued and uploaded to the FDNY Cloud.

2.2 COMMUNICATIONS MANUAL CHAPTER 10, ADDENDUM 1

Communications Manual, Chapter 10, Addendum 1 titled Form (BF-160) Preliminary and Progress Reports

dated February 15, 2011, is amended as follows:

Under: BF-160 Insert By orders of ____________________________(IC rank, name, and unit)

Insert: Note to read:

Note: "Unknown" shall not be used to identify any exposure.

Affected pages 3-4 (Rev. 07/30/26) reflecting this change has been issued and uploaded to the FDNY Cloud.
 
Legend has it that mayor Fiorello LaGuardia who was a huge fire buff, wanted to know what was going on and how things were progressing in order to decide if he was going to take the box in as a buff. Thus the advent of the progress reports. At least that’s what was told to me
 
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