11/26/23 Staten Island 10-75 Box 0678

[UnitWithTheUrgent]

Address: 28 Jackson Ave. off Cedar Ave.

Fire in the basement of a 2 story 20x50 PD

B-21: 10-75 - 16:57

L-78 FAST

B-21: Fire in the cellar - 1 L/S/O - 17:00

B-21: 3 L/S, 2 L/O - DWH - 17:05

D-8: Special call another truck (L-83) - PWH - 17:16

Maybe:
E-161, 159, 153, 152
L-81, 77, 78F, 83 s/c
B-21, 22
R-5
SQ-8
D-8
RAC-5

*E-152 initially unavailable, E-160 at another box

Relocations:
E-157 to SQ-8
L-168 to L-78
B-42 to B-21
B-48 to B-22

 

[Signal73]

Question for the class

3 L/S 2 in Opp. And no All Hands?

What would classify as using All Hands?

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

E161/L81 were redirected into this box off an Verrazzano Bridge MVA, E152 continued to that and was assigned to this once they went 10-8 from the bridge. E160 was at a utility emergency.

Other relocations:
E254/E153
L122/TL77

 

[manlt]

Someone forgot to transmit it

 

[UnitWithTheUrgent]

Generally it wouldn't make such a big difference, in this case it would potentially mean turning out a Brooklyn company with the Satellite. (Given that both E-159 & E-152 were on the box)

 

[Extra One & One]

Question for the class

3 L/S 2 in Opp. And no All Hands?

What would classify as using All Hands?

I’m not sure, but I would think the All-Hands might initiate more coverage being that, in theory, they may be tied up longer. A 10-75 may be wrapped up quickly and perhaps only one or two units are relocated.

 

[SI1075]

Usually once an extra engine and truck are called the dispatcher will transmit the all hands
sometimes also once the report is given of a second line being stretched a dispatcher will drop the hint "wanna go with the all hands?"

these days the all hands only gives you the satellite on top of the assignment i believe and im sure if something sounds legit 159 is starting to roll before getting the ticket

 

[Atlas]

I’m not sure, but I would think the All-Hands might initiate more coverage being that, in theory, they may be tied up longer. A 10-75 may be wrapped up quickly and perhaps only one or two units are relocated.

FDNY defines an "ALL HANDS" as either 3 engines & 2 ladders OR 2 Engines & 2 Ladders & a Squad at work. In this case with a box on the VZ bridge Rescue 5 would be on the road (10-8). So seeing that this was not the normal response of E-161 (0.2 miles), E-152 (1.3 miles), E160 (1.7 miles), E-159 (2.3 miles), if 159 was dispatched the unit might have told the dispatcher, "We are near there" & then was assigned. E-159 shows normally responding with Sat 5 on that box. So who operated the extra line? How about Rescue 5 & that is why the All Hands was never transmitted. How is that for an answer? The normal response for that box should be 161 - 152 - 160 - & 153 (2.6 miles) .

Question for the class

3 L/S 2 in Opp. And no All Hands?

What would classify as using All Hands?

 

[bf231]

E-160 had training at around time of this job.

 

[Extra One & One]

Here is a question not particular to SI, but FDNY across all the boroughs. Of course many factors go into this (other activity, weather conditions, distance).

When a 10-75 is transmitted, dispatch moves up some companies to fill the hole created by the 4 closest engines & 3 closest ladders now being tied up. If the fire goes to an All-Hands 15 minutes later, is a more detailed or comprehensive coverage plan usually done? Or what was moved for coverage on the 10-75 sufficient?