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Does anyone have any insight into why blue lights were placed on the rear of the new towers? It appears the new rearmounts might have blue also????
 
jarhead96 said:
Does anyone have any insight into why blue lights were placed on the rear of the new towers? It appears the new rearmounts might have blue also????
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The new rescues also have them.  It's a matter of visibility, there are so many yellow and red lights on the streets are ready.  The blue is something different and it stands out more.  There actually had to be a special law passed to allow it.
 
jarhead96 said:
Does anyone have any insight into why blue lights were placed on the rear of the new towers? It appears the new rearmounts might have blue also????
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This is a quote from FDNY150 on the Rescue Page Re: Blue Lights which the new Rescues also have

" Up until the law was changed, blue lights were only to be used by Volunteer Firefighters here in New York. NYPD and NYSP have been using them for a number of years now. Actually, I can remember NYSP radio cars with blue lights on them from my childhood in the late 70's early 80's.

PS the MTA is also using blue lights on certain buses in the Bronx. This has been a big discussion to the point of beating a very dead horse on the suburban vollie buff boards.

I've always been of the opinion that, no matter how you paint a rig, and how many lights, bells, and whistles you put on it, somebody is going to find away to crash it, or into it ".

Seems the law was changed for FD vehicles to carry Blue Lights also in NYC so they stand out more. Ive also noticed over here that New Fire Brigade vehicles now carry Red and Blue led lights on the back of rigs
 
Thanks for the input! They ARE more visible for sure, I just had'nt heard any study that the FD was doing.
 
jarhead96 said:
Thanks for the input! They ARE more visible for sure, I just had'nt heard any study that the FD was doing.
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They are more visible.  Yes.  That said, if someone can physically fit their car someplace, they will.  I've been at an accident scene with the engine/truck and chief.  The scene was at a split in the highway and we closed the exit with rigs and flares.  People drove right through a gap in the flares if they could fit.  That stuff happens all the time. 

The most dangerous place we operate (outside a fire building), in NYC or elsewhere is probably the highway.
 
Some study or another said that red lights are more visible in the day or clear weather while blues are more visible in the night/dark weather.  NYPD and other law enforcement in NY have been rushing to put blues on their cars since the law was changed to allow them to have it, and now FDNY is also following suit.
 
Red and white are not so visible at night because they blend in with the other natural lights that are in use.  It can be very confusing approaching a set of lights and hearing sirens but not knowing where the apparatus is going to come from. If you have public service vehicles, dump trucks, tow trucks all using similar lighting systems to the FDNY, EMS and PD then that has to lead to more confusion.  Its not always easy to distinguish a fire truck from any other truck late at night. That is why blue is the best choice for identification and visibility. 
 
TL 159 is still riding around with there 2000 Seagrave TL. Still looks pretty good. The second link is TL 159 2011 Seagrave Tower I wonder what happened to it ST10021.


tl1592000seagrave51611.jpg


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/tl1592000seagrave51611.jpg/

http://www.modelfiretrucks.net/smf/index.php?topic=14101.45
 
ST10021 was still not put into service as of last check. It was delivered to the FDNY. Some of those 2000 Arielscopes do look pretty good yet.
 
H & L 147 said:
I took the picture of the TL 159's 2000 TL yesterday
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Could be some of the last pictures ever taken of that truck then as they are at any day now.

As for Ladder 86, saw their new one on the road today.
 
Blue lights, green , red, white, etc... Fools will run into anything regardless of the color
 
vbcapt said:
Blue lights, green , red, white, etc... Fools will run into anything regardless of the color
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  You got that right Deano. I remember when the FDNY and many other large U.S. cities went to lime green (aka Slime Green) rigs in color because it was said to have better visibility and PREVENT Accidents. That proved to be wrong in those days too.
 
Just like these new chevron decals NFPA wants on the back of the rigs. There's already multiple warning lights, amber traffic bars, traffic cones, flares, multiple Fire/EMS Police units on scene and guess what, they still run into us. It's called not paying attention not whether you have 10 lights or 15 .
 
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