Brooklyn 5th alarm Commercial Fire 3/11/26 Box 2671

[billy17]

Sorry not used to this forum on my phone uploading. I was in the area and was able to take some photos. It was my first time seeing a marine unit in action. Definitely the biggest fire I have been to. My clothes still smell Smokey. I pray and hope all the members are ok. It seems like no civilians were hurt

 

[NYBravest82]

I think their rationale is that, since it was put in service primarily for airport/foam relays, consider the situation where it would be operating at the 5th alarm, and a crash box is transmitted for LGA, and the plane has a bad landing with a fuel tank rupture. What do they do now, besides transmit the foam matrix? It sits there like your insurance policy in your drawer.

While I don't disagree, that seems like a dangerous rationale. What if it's at LGA has a box where is at and another box goes out at JFK? Who decides what's higher priority?

This again feels like, "get it because we might need it, but probably not, but we got that grant money, so why not?"

I feel like they got an industrial pumper for a city that's way less industrial than it was 30 years ago.

 

[billy17]

I feel like most of this discussion is about the super pumper. I agree with the folks here that 2 SAT units and a marine units were adequate enough to put the out the fire. I can’t speak to what qualifies to dispatch the super pumper but I will say they all did a good job getting the fire out. It was on the coast so marine units could help. We can talk about budget and other things but the members did their job. We all want to see the super pumper on a job but given the location I don’t think it called for it.

 

[den114]

Question about when a truck is operating in as an acting company. If it is says ladder 172 act. 114. Does that mean that 114 goes back in service or do it mean that both ladder 172 and 114 will be still operating and on scene.

Looks like 3 out of the 4 relocators to 114, went to the job. Probably never made it to 114’s quarters.

 

[NikFDNY]

Has the idea ever been floated around within the past couple of years of making one of the summer boats into a year long Marine Company?

If I remember correctly, Kavanaugh had mentioned making Marine 4 a permanent company, obviously nothing came as a result

 

[NikFDNY]

While I don't disagree, that seems like a dangerous rationale. What if it's at LGA has a box where is at and another box goes out at JFK? Who decides what's higher priority?

It would depend on the situation as reported by PAPD

If it were say the exact same incident, ie the same model aircarft with the same issues and everything playing out the same, the higher priority for the FDNY in my opinion would likely be LGA. PAPD has almost double or triple the amount of resources in JFK compared to LGA (Granted I dont know how their staffing would handle this necessarily)

Meanwhile, if there was say a fully loaded Boeing 747 that crash landed into a firey explosion, and a Airbus 320 that has a little bit of smoke in the cabin, then the priority is obvious

 

[Skyler Fire]

I think their rationale is that, since it was put in service primarily for airport/foam relays, consider the situation where it would be operating at the 5th alarm, and a crash box is transmitted for LGA, and the plane has a bad landing with a fuel tank rupture. What do they do now, besides transmit the foam matrix? It sits there like your insurance policy in your drawer.

PAPD has a lot of foam themself. FDNY has 5 Foam Tankers, plus satellites, hose wagons have the foam and they have foam totes at the rock.

 

[captaindewey50267021@gm]

Note the Priority for commercial aircraft in danger or compromised is to J.F.K., as the Port Authority has the greatest amount of crash equipment at J.F.K., Remember the FDNY has Hose Wagons in addition to the Satellites. FDNY Hose Wagons are generally older FDNY pumpers that have been reconfigured, positioned near both airports. Foam and Hose Wagons. units of the FDNY have a secondary role in air crashes as the response time as the response time in too great for a true lifesaving role. Rapid Intervention is the only way to save the greatest amount of lives in serious air crashes. I was trained in aircraft firefighting in the U.S. Navy = Aircraft Damage Control. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.

 

[NikFDNY]

PAPD has a lot of foam themself.

PAPD has over 5,000 gallons of AFFF just in NYC, and that doesnt include their Halotron, PKP and DC, of which they have over 10,000 pounds of what I listed

 

[RCL]

Side question, if a marine unit is supplying ladders/engines, do the companies flush out the rigs at the end of the job to get the salt water out of the pumps and internals?

More then likely. Basically find a hydrant somewhere, hook up, take off every discharge cap, open every discharge and let the water run for about 10 or 20 minutes, operate each gate a few times and call it a night/ day. With today's materials in the pumps and valves, salt water drying out and leaveing deposits to gum up valves is the bigger problem, as opposed to rusting out the pump itself.