Brooklyn 5th alarm Commercial Fire 3/11/26 Box 2671

Sorry not used to this forum on my phone uploading. I was in the area and was able to take some photos. It was my first time seeing a marine unit in action. Definitely the biggest fire I have been to. My clothes still smell Smokey. I pray and hope all the members are ok. It seems like no civilians were hurt
 
seniorofficer said:
I think their rationale is that, since it was put in service primarily for airport/foam relays, consider the situation where it would be operating at the 5th alarm, and a crash box is transmitted for LGA, and the plane has a bad landing with a fuel tank rupture. What do they do now, besides transmit the foam matrix? It sits there like your insurance policy in your drawer.
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While I don't disagree, that seems like a dangerous rationale. What if it's at LGA has a box where is at and another box goes out at JFK? Who decides what's higher priority?

This again feels like, "get it because we might need it, but probably not, but we got that grant money, so why not?"

I feel like they got an industrial pumper for a city that's way less industrial than it was 30 years ago.
 
I feel like most of this discussion is about the super pumper. I agree with the folks here that 2 SAT units and a marine units were adequate enough to put the out the fire. I can’t speak to what qualifies to dispatch the super pumper but I will say they all did a good job getting the fire out. It was on the coast so marine units could help. We can talk about budget and other things but the members did their job. We all want to see the super pumper on a job but given the location I don’t think it called for it.
 
zharrison said:
Question about when a truck is operating in as an acting company. If it is says ladder 172 act. 114. Does that mean that 114 goes back in service or do it mean that both ladder 172 and 114 will be still operating and on scene.
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Looks like 3 out of the 4 relocators to 114, went to the job. Probably never made it to 114’s quarters.
 
NYBravest82 said:
While I don't disagree, that seems like a dangerous rationale. What if it's at LGA has a box where is at and another box goes out at JFK? Who decides what's higher priority?
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It would depend on the situation as reported by PAPD

If it were say the exact same incident, ie the same model aircarft with the same issues and everything playing out the same, the higher priority for the FDNY in my opinion would likely be LGA. PAPD has almost double or triple the amount of resources in JFK compared to LGA (Granted I dont know how their staffing would handle this necessarily)

Meanwhile, if there was say a fully loaded Boeing 747 that crash landed into a firey explosion, and a Airbus 320 that has a little bit of smoke in the cabin, then the priority is obvious
 
seniorofficer said:
I think their rationale is that, since it was put in service primarily for airport/foam relays, consider the situation where it would be operating at the 5th alarm, and a crash box is transmitted for LGA, and the plane has a bad landing with a fuel tank rupture. What do they do now, besides transmit the foam matrix? It sits there like your insurance policy in your drawer.
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PAPD has a lot of foam themself. FDNY has 5 Foam Tankers, plus satellites, hose wagons have the foam and they have foam totes at the rock.
 
Note the Priority for commercial aircraft in danger or compromised is to J.F.K., as the Port Authority has the greatest amount of crash equipment at J.F.K., Remember the FDNY has Hose Wagons in addition to the Satellites. FDNY Hose Wagons are generally older FDNY pumpers that have been reconfigured, positioned near both airports. Foam and Hose Wagons. units of the FDNY have a secondary role in air crashes as the response time as the response time in too great for a true lifesaving role. Rapid Intervention is the only way to save the greatest amount of lives in serious air crashes. I was trained in aircraft firefighting in the U.S. Navy = Aircraft Damage Control. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.
 
FFM1938 said:
Side question, if a marine unit is supplying ladders/engines, do the companies flush out the rigs at the end of the job to get the salt water out of the pumps and internals?
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More then likely. Basically find a hydrant somewhere, hook up, take off every discharge cap, open every discharge and let the water run for about 10 or 20 minutes, operate each gate a few times and call it a night/ day. With today's materials in the pumps and valves, salt water drying out and leaveing deposits to gum up valves is the bigger problem, as opposed to rusting out the pump itself.
 
Signal73 said:
FC s/c 2 TLs. 155 & 161 @02:33

FC have TL155 respond to 53rd & 1st. Have TL 161 respond to 55 & 1st

FC per Car-3 fire in the original fire building & exposures 2 & 2A. 4 TLs 2 blitz fires 2 stangs. Multiple hand lines. DWH @02:37

FC per Car-3 we have marine units operating on building 2 and 2A

FC s/c the Haz-Mat group. Got reports of chemicals in exposure 2B @02:43

FC have those 2 TLS stand by on 1st have. In the process of repositioning units @02:49

FC per Car-3 shutting down (2) TLS to move further down the block. In the process of changing the supply of the TLS to be supplied by the Marine Companies @02:50

FC per Car-3 s/c (2) additional ladders. 1 of which to relieve fast truck 148 @03:23

FC per Car-3 s/c a Tactical Support Unit back to the scene for lighting

FC per s/c 2 additional Ladders for relief. Does not have to be a TL @03:30

FC have L-107 respond to Command Post on 53 St

FC per s/c 3 additional Engine Companies for relief @03:36

FC s/c 2 Battalions into the Command Post @03:48

FC s/c an additional RAC Unit @ 03:58

FC per Car-3 s/c MCC-2. We do not need a transport unit @03:59

FC per Car-3 s/c 2 Engines for relief @ 04:01

FC notify DEEP we have E-241 stuck on the hydrant & flooding at the base of 53rd St

FC per Car-3 We need a supervisor from NAT Grid we have an active gas leak in the building. Requesting OEM @04:23

FC per Car-3 special call 3 additional Engines for relief @ 04:39

FC per Car-3 special call 1 additional Battalion @04:41

FC per Car-3 PWH @04:53

FC per Car-3 s/c 2 Engines 2 Ladders for relief @05:03

MB to BK assign Marine 1 to relieve Marine 9 @05:15

FC Transmit a 10-47 (Requesting PD) cars driving over the supply line

FC per Car 3 special call 1 Engine, 2 Tower Ladders, 2 Battalion Chiefs for relief @05:38

FC Car-3 is taking up. Car-15 taking command @05:43

FC per Car-15 s/c 2 additional BCs @05:45

FC s/c 1 truck to relieve the Fast Truck @06:00

FC s/c 2 Engines & 2 Tower Ladders for relief @07:03

MCC-2 Division 8 going 10-8. B-58 will be the IC and MCC-2 will be your radio contact @07:13

FC we are taking up. Operations will be taken over by MCC-2 @07:14

MCC-2 s/c 2 Engines 2 Tower Ladders 1 Fast Truck & 4 Battalion Chiefs for relief @08:15

MCC-2 s/c SOC Dewatering Unit

MCC-2 s/c 1 Engine to assist in packing the LDH for the Satellite Unit @09:13

MCC-2 Under Control Per D-8. Searches not done. @12:04

Duration 11 Hours & 45 Minutes

E-201,241,228,247,282
L-114,109,148(Fast),131
B-40,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-8
Rac-5
Ma-9,6
MB

2nd Alarm
E-242,279,250,239s/c
E-284 w/ Sat. 3
L-122,147s/c,119s/c
B-32(FF)*
B-42(RUL)
B-41(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-2
RM-1
CTU-2

*ABC

3rd Alarm
E-220,281,240,332(Comm)
L-
B-33(FF)
B-58(ARC)
B-38(Staging)
B-57(Street Manager Coordinator)
Rac-1
MSU
Car-15(Chief of Training)

4th Alarm
E-205 Act. 201,310 Act. 241,246 Act. 247,234 Act. 282
E-207 w/ Sat. 6s/c
L-172 Act. 114,132 Act. 109,77 Act. 172s/c
B-35*
Car-16B(Acting Director of Communications)
Car-24(Director of Bureau of Logistics & Support)
Car-23D(Press Duty)
Car-22D(Deputy Director of Fleet Services)
Car-12C(Safety Liaison)
Car-33(Medical Officer BK, Q, SI)
Car-23A(Press Officer)

*ABC

5th Alarm
E-155 Act. 241,277 Act. 282,160 Act. 242,15 Act. 239
E-24 Act. ??s/c,253s/c,202s/c, 217 Act. ??s/c, 14 Act. 282s/c
E-219 Act. ??s/c,206 Act. ??s/c,221 Act. ??s/c,331 Act. 241s/c
E-248s/c,276s/c,224s/c,211s/c
E-165 w/ 2nd Piece
L-156 Act. 148,146 Act. 131,101s/c,1 Act. 114s/c
L-155 Act. 114s/c,161 Act. ??s/c,107 Act. 148s/c
L-13 Act. 149s/c,55 Act. 132s/c,113s/c,124s/c
L-111s/c,159s/c,105s/c,12 Act. 149s/c
L-80 Act. 148(Fast)s/c,154 Act. 122(Fast)s/c
L-9 Act. ??(Fast)s/c,118(Fast)s/c
B-6 Act. 40s/c,9 Act. ??s/c,2 Act. ??s/c,52 Act. 41s/c,31s/c,39s/c,37s/c,58s/c
Rac-2s/c,4s/c
MCC-2
Tac-1
HM-1
HMB
Ma-1s/c
SOC Dewatering Unit
SOC Logistics
SOC Compressor
Car-3(Chief of Department)
Car-4(Chief of Operations)
Car-22A(Director of Fleet Operations)
Car-11(Chief of SOC)
Car-16G(SFAD of Field Comm Unit)

Relief @08:15
E-307,271
L-85,115,147(Fast)
B-41,28,6,50

Assigned @0900
E-284,207,239,242

Relief @1200
E-230,234
L-146,153
B-48



Relocations:
Engine 40 Act. Engine 24
Engine 53 act. Engine ??
Engine 309 Act. Engine ??
Engine 217 Act. Engine ??
Engine 24 Act. Engine ??
Engine 15 Act. Engine 239
Engine 205 Act. Engine 201
Engine 310 Act. Engine 241
Engine 155 Act. Engine 241
Engine 331 Act. Engine 241
Engine 227 Act. Engine 241
Engine 234 Act. Engine 282
Engine 277 Act. Engine 282
Engine 14 Act. Engine 282
Engine 60 Act. Engine 282
Engine 246 Act. Engine 247
Engine 7 Act. Engine 247
Engine 160 Act. Engine 242
Engine 8 act. Engine 205
Engine 216 Act. Engine 281
Engine 292 Act. Engine 279
Engine 238 Act. Engine 228
Ladder 77 Act. Ladder 172
Ladder 172 Act. Ladder 114
Ladder 1 Act. Ladder 114
Ladder 155 Act. Ladder 114
Ladder 54 Act. Ladder 114
Ladder 146 Act. Ladder 131
Ladder 132 Act. Ladder 109
Ladder 156 Act. Ladder 148
Ladder 107 Act. Ladder 148
Ladder 13 Act. Ladder 149
Ladder 12 Act. Ladder 149
Ladder 55 Act. Ladder 132
Ladder 9 Act. Ladder ??
Ladder 161 Act. Ladder ??
Ladder 15 act. Ladder 1
Ladder 61 Act. Ladder 122
Battalion 20 Act. Battalion 48
Battalion 28 Act. Battalion 38
Battalion 46 Act. Battalion 37
Battalion 6 Act. Battalion 40
Battalion 9 Act. Battalion ??
Battalion 2 Act. Battalion ??
Battalion 52 Act. Battalion 41
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nice job on rundown.
 
captaindewey50267021@gm said:
Note the Priority for commercial aircraft in danger or compromised is to J.F.K., as the Port Authority has the greatest amount of crash equipment at J.F.K., Remember the FDNY has Hose Wagons in addition to the Satellites. FDNY Hose Wagons are generally older FDNY pumpers that have been reconfigured, positioned near both airports. Foam and Hose Wagons. units of the FDNY have a secondary role in air crashes as the response time as the response time in too great for a true lifesaving role. Rapid Intervention is the only way to save the greatest amount of lives in serious air crashes. I was trained in aircraft firefighting in the U.S. Navy = Aircraft Damage Control. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.
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I believe the hose wagons are old Satellites
 
lfdlt31 said:
I believe the hose wagons are old Satellites
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They are. Dont think they have manifolds. I know they dont carry foam just hose.

308s is formerly Sat 3. At least on fdnytrucks site. It may have been replaced with a different one. Its listed as a 93. Pretty sure its been replaced with an 06

316s is formerly sat 6 06 Mack Ferara
 
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