New Rescues ?

[grumpy grizzly]

Can't speak to the Magirus elevator ladders (which FDNY tried but rejected in the 1960's, replacing the sticks on the two units they had bought), but the buckets on Morita elevator ladders cannot be compared to those on tower ladders, whether the single telescoping booms that FDNY has or the end-of-ladder style made by Pierce, Sutphen, E-One and others. The Moritas hold only one or two Asian firefighters, who are mostly much lighter weight guys than the average FDNY member . . . and that's without considering equipment weight. Also, the operate in a totally different manner . . . you climb into the bucket at the bottom of the ladder, and it then rises along the ladder to the top. The weight limit on the Morita bucket pretty much rules out using it for rescues, too. I don't see how they would fit into FDNY operating procedures.

Chicago brought the 2 146' Magirus ladders from FDNY to replace theirs.

 

[Captain784]

I may be a matter of finding the right new apparatus for the FDNY but if London Fire Brigade Can make it work than FDNY can. Even with the problems with Snorkel, elbows in NYCs at time narrow streets, that may be one answer. Most NYC truly High-Rise Buildings are located on wide streets. There are Telescoping Snorkel devices that can handle the weight limit of 1,000 LBS that I still believe it the weight capacity of Aeroscope Tower Ladders. Very tall aerial devises are in place in Toronto Canada. As for floor weight in the firehouses of E-211/TL-119 and later E-207/L110 had floors that held the old Mack Super Pumper and Tender. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

 

[baileyjeff]

I may be a matter of finding the right new apparatus for the FDNY but if London Fire Brigade Can make it work than FDNY can. Even with the problems with Snorkel, elbows in NYCs at time narrow streets, that may be one answer. Most NYC truly High-Rise Buildings are located on wide streets. There are Telescoping Snorkel devices that can handle the weight limit of 1,000 LBS that I still believe it the weight capacity of Aeroscope Tower Ladders. Very tall aerial devises are in place in Toronto Canada. As for floor weight in the firehouses of E-211/TL-119 and later E-207/L110 had floors that held the old Mack Super Pumper and TenderView attachment 45156. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

What about having them as special calls ladder trucks?

 

[Captain784]

Special Call was what was done for the old Mack Rear Mount 144 ft. High Ladders during the 1970s. The 144 ft ladders were eventually removed, and new 100 ft. ladders were retrofitted on these rigs. Some were used for Tactical Control Unit =T.C.U. Ladder Companies.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

 

[TLTruckie]

Hate to add to the problem but when is FDNY going to consider the idea of getting a Large High Ladder Tower or Ladder for use at High Rise fires?
London bought TWO 64 meters = Over 200 ft., ladders with buckets after examining the need to reach the upper floors at major fires in High rise Building Fires such as the Grenfell Towers, disaster. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

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Please Stay on topic …this is a tread is about the “New Rescues”. You can always start a new topic. Ty.

 

[F117AN]

Has anyone gotten any updates regarding this order? I’ve got no sources and I’m interested to see what Seagrave can cook up.

 

[ExChief-551]

This is what Seagrave cooked up for Hazle Township R-141:

 

[Capttomo]

Seagrave built this Rescue for Pearl River FD just 18 miles north of the city

 

[lfdlt31]

I believe Washington DC also has some (or had) Seagrave Rescues.

 

[ExChief-551]

I believe Washington DC also has some (or had) Seagrave Rescues.

Had would be correct. The new ones are all Ferraras. I believe they still have an 09 Seagrave in their reserve fleet as R6.

 

[F117AN]

Has any progress been made on the FDNY’s order aside from “Please, Seagrave, we’re begging you, give us a Rescue that actually works,”?

 

[ExChief-551]

I love the Hazle Township one I posted and the department loves it as well. Well built and functional. Hazle Township has a new rescue-engine being made by Seagrave as well. The department is big fans of Seagrave. The 4 primary pieces (141TL, 141-E2, 141-E3, 141-R) will all be Seagrave.

 

[VzGuy]

The box is going to be pretty much the same. It will just have a Seagrave 2 door cab. New Haven CT's R1 is a close match. It has different doors on the first comp back on the box, and some lightning placement differences also. But its the closest thing.

 

[FFM1938]

The box is going to be pretty much the same. It will just have a Seagrave 2 door cab. New Haven CT's R1 is a close match. It has different doors on the first comp back on the box, and some lightning placement differences also. But its the closest thing.

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Woof. Just get an 18-wheeler already